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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2015, 05:42:22 PM »
The Love Metal sessions were in early 2002, It wasn't from these. My understanding is that And Love Said No(616 Version) was recorded after the version on the compilation.It was re-recorded with the possibility of being released on Dark Light. Some other songs were also thrown out during this time, Night In Despair and Bound To Be Wrong being examples, also during this time Forever Haunted was renamed In The Nightside Of Eden.
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2015, 06:19:23 PM »
The Love Metal sessions were in early 2002, It wasn't from these. And Love Said No(616 Version) was recorded after the version on the compilation.It was re-recorded with the possibility of being released on Dark Light. Some other songs were also thrown out during this time, Night Of Despair and Bound To Be Wrong being examples.
Appreciate the info. Is there a source for this anywhere?

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2015, 01:12:09 AM »
Tim Palmer did both And Love Said No and Solitary man for the ALSN compilation with them

but i wanna proof that the 616 version of ALSN is that one re-recorded during the Dark Light sessions

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2015, 02:43:57 AM »
I've always been thinking that is The Heartless Club Remix from the It's All Tears single the same song as The Heartless (Space Jazz Dubmen Mix) from the RHIMA limited edition single? They have the same length but are there any differences?

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2015, 03:17:25 AM »
HOLY SHIT. I must have been reading this with my head up my ass for the longest time. I always click on the new stuff but I just now noticed that someone said there is a 616 version of And Love Said No, even though it was mentioned a ways back. WANT. What is it on? Whatever it is I want it. <3 <3 <3

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2015, 04:57:26 AM »
its on the Wings of a butterfly Maxi single if i remember properly, or UK version? i dont know but i have a CD somewhere of it
three songs are on it
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2015, 09:53:42 AM »
Tim Palmer did both And Love Said No and Solitary man for the ALSN compilation with them

but i wanna proof that the 616 version of ALSN is that one re-recorded during the Dark Light sessions

I read an interview transcript ages ago(don't have a link) mentioning re-recording ALSN during the dark light sessions the same time as poison heart. I assume this version is the 616 one unless there is another we haven't heard? It would make sense though seeing as it was released as a B-side on the WOAB single.
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2015, 02:14:52 PM »
I just always figured it was from the 'Love Metal' sessions because of the "616 Version". On the 'Uneasy Listening, Vol. 2' tracklisting 616 is only used for LM songs.

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2015, 02:23:11 PM »
The one thing is for sure , right from VilleĀ“s mouth
-they recorded 14 songs, they re-recorded And Love Said No and Poison Heart cover

lets count:
Vampire Heart
Wings of a Butterfly
Under the Rose
Killing Loneliness
Dark Light
Behind the Crimson Door
The Face of God
Drunk on Shadows
Play Dead
In the Nightside of Eden
Venus In Our Blood
The Cage
Poisong Heart
And Love Said No

Ville also mentioned that Poison Heart and And Love Said No will probably make it on some different versions of the album, like UK version and stuff like that, actually i think its more likely that 616 version is that re-recorded version, but we still have no proof
these are just theories and speculations

it can be also a demo,  back in the days, they titled demos of BABL and Endless Dark as 616 versions too
now Endless Dark demo is titled as Vinnfox relics on the reissues. And now we have And Love Said No 616 version here. It is missing that Dark Light vibe as Poison Heart definitely has, but i can hear some similarities to the Dark Light songs, instruments and stuff. I am pro that its that re-recorded version from Dark Light recording sessions

but it could be like we have 14 songs + re-recording And Love Said No and Poison Heart Ramones cover = 16? and we have completely 2 unknown songs ? (maybe Disarm Me) - thats my secret wish :D 


and offtopic to add: i really love that there is always some mystery behind all the recording sessions, album versions, demos and stuff, and i really enjoy discussing about it here on the sacrament, especially during this hiatus or a pause that our darlings have. At least we have something to talk about. Besides that i hope we will maybe figure out more interesting informations, thoughts and ideas and stuff, maybe someone will learn something that didnt know yet. its cool, keep it going fellas 

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2015, 07:46:28 PM »
I wish And Love Said No (616) and Poison Heart had made it onto the same disc. I want both but they are separate.... oh well.

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2015, 04:07:08 PM »
For a moment I thought For You (Acoustic Version) was missing. Then I realised that it's the same as Unplugged Radio live and ACSTC live - G&T Version.
Why on earth do they have to give gazillions of different names to the same songs? >_>
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2015, 03:52:47 PM »
For a moment I thought For You (Acoustic Version) was missing. Then I realised that it's the same as Unplugged Radio live and ACSTC live - G&T Version.
Why on earth do they have to give gazillions of different names to the same songs? >_>

The same reason they have millions of version of the same album :)

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2015, 04:43:36 PM »
Well, that's actually something different.
If there's one album with different tracklists, you can look that up and decide if it's worth buying for the 'new' tracks. It's same name - different content.
If you have the same song but give it a new name, you more or less trick people into paying for stuff they already have. That's different name - same content.

Concerning HIM I'm beyond being bothered by that, though. I'll just buy all the things. What annoys me is that I get confused about the various names >.>
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #38 on: May 25, 2015, 08:21:27 PM »
Well, that's actually something different.
If there's one album with different tracklists, you can look that up and decide if it's worth buying for the 'new' tracks. It's same name - different content.
If you have the same song but give it a new name, you more or less trick people into paying for stuff they already have. That's different name - same content.

Concerning HIM I'm beyond being bothered by that, though. I'll just buy all the things. What annoys me is that I get confused about the various names >.>

The "616" name, originally was given to ALSN (dark light version).
It was continued to be used on the demo versions of the Love Metal tracks which appeared on ULVol.2.

At the same time, those tracks belong to the collection of demos recorded at finnvox studio. This being the reason the used the new title on the re-mastered sets.

The Rappula Tapes and The Hollola Tapes are just different names for the studio which they were recorded. Rappula studio, in Hollola Finland.

Usually if they change the name to a track, it is to suit the release it is on.


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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2015, 03:25:11 PM »
I see, that makes sense. Thanks for explaning.
I have to admit I didn't exactly think about that. I just looked at the songs and not the different releases.

Still, if I wanted to nitpic a lot, I'd grumble that they could have gone with one name instead of Rappula/Hollovlad/Hollola. (It's all right, I'll shut up. I didn't say anything.)

So For You (Acoustic Version) was changed to (Unplugged Radio Live) to match It's All Tears on ULVol.1, that makes sense. Then both were changed to (ACSTC live - G&T Version) to match the (ACSTC Pascha MMXIV) on the remastered issues, okay.
Do we know what G&T stands for, btw? Is there a particular meaning to Pascha?

Is there an explanation for The Heartless (Space Jazz Dubmen Mix)/(Club Mix)?
The back of the RHIMA CD case says the former, the actual CD the latter. Maybe it was simply to long? The It's All Tears single collection papersleeve and CD both say (Club-Remix).
It's an unnecessary question to ask, I know. I still kinda wonder, though. Can't help it.

You're all trying to find out what was recorded when and where. I can't wrap my mind around different names >.>
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2015, 10:03:05 PM »
Do we know what G&T stands for, btw? Is there a particular meaning to Pascha?

Gin and tonic, of course - and Pascha means Easter, and that's when Ville recorded the new bonus acoustic songs.

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2015, 05:25:41 PM »
I see, that makes sense. Thanks for explaning.
I have to admit I didn't exactly think about that. I just looked at the songs and not the different releases.

Still, if I wanted to nitpic a lot, I'd grumble that they could have gone with one name instead of Rappula/Hollovlad/Hollola. (It's all right, I'll shut up. I didn't say anything.)

So For You (Acoustic Version) was changed to (Unplugged Radio Live) to match It's All Tears on ULVol.1, that makes sense. Then both were changed to (ACSTC live - G&T Version) to match the (ACSTC Pascha MMXIV) on the remastered issues, okay.
Do we know what G&T stands for, btw? Is there a particular meaning to Pascha?

Is there an explanation for The Heartless (Space Jazz Dubmen Mix)/(Club Mix)?
The backside of the CD case says the former, the actual CD the latter. Maybe it was simply to long? The single collection papersleeve and CD both say (Club-Remix).
It's an unnecessary question to ask, I know. I still kinda wonder, though. Can't help it.

You're all trying to find out what was recorded when and where. I can't wrap my mind around different names >.>

I may be wrong, but the Space Jazz Dubmen I think is the DJ/producer who remixed the track. And it being a 'Club' style beat, would be the reason for that title. When 'It's All Tears' was supposed to be released as a single, they included this club-remix. probably to make it easier to read and understand and be more digestable to European audiences and consumers. After razorblade romance made its success and RHIMA was released, the Space Jazz Dubmen version was included again, officially making its first release on a HIM single. Later when the Single Collection came out, Its All tears was included, as with Right Here. Both containing their alternative titles of the track, due to times of release, and marketing strategies.

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2015, 06:35:50 PM »
I'm not sure if It's All Tears was ever meant to be released as a commercial single it was released in 1999 as a DJ single in Germany which may be the reason for the club references in the name of the remix.
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2015, 03:00:35 AM »
Also, with the whole 616 thing even though the discussion about it is old now, the And Love Said No 616 Version came out when the news about the 616 number was new, and as we all know Ville was definitely fascinated about it. So, 666 is the old number everyone knows about and 616 is this new number so to speak, so the 616 version of And Love Said No is a new version of an old thing. Then, with Uneasy Listening, the meaning behind 616 basically flipped completely around to mean the first version instead - so the album edition of Buried Alive By Love for example is the technically the 666 version that we all know about, but since 616 is said to have come before 666, the demo version is the beforehand version so it's labeled as 616. I don't know if any of that made any sense to anyone but myself.

Instead of 616 meaning a new take on an old thing, it changed to mean the first incarnation, aka the demo version.
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2015, 12:27:07 PM »
Thanks for the answers, guys :)

As for the Club-Remix, I guess they just didn't bother giving it a fancy name on It's All Tears since it was going to be a DJ promo thing only.
I still don't really see why it's 'shortened' on the RHIMA CD, though.
But I noticed that they wrote Oceans of Wine in quotation marks, like it's not supposed to be an official name. So many unnecessary questions...

Why Gin and Tonic? Could also stand for Gifted and Talented :p
I actually knew that Pascha means easter. But instead of realising that Pascha MMXIV meant it wasn't recorded in 2014 but on Easter 2014 I thought it could have something to do with how 'Pascha' is used in German (It's a term to describe a guy that wants to be waited on hand and foot) or whatever <_<
(Just to make this clear: I didn't think it could have a German meaning, but it's my first language, so I tend to think in it. Even more when I'm as braindead as now.)

I get what you mean with the 666/616 thing.
I guess they just needed to come up with a cool name, because Demo Version is obviously not interesting enough :D
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2015, 10:24:59 PM »
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Whoa now..?? Shortened? What do you mean?

On both IAT and RHIMA cd's they are 3;58 and 3;59 . Only final master differences.

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2015, 12:14:21 AM »
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Whoa now..?? Shortened? What do you mean?

On both IAT and RHIMA cd's they are 3;58 and 3;59 . Only final master differences.

I meant the name!
Sorry for the confusion. Space Jazz Dubmen Mix vs. Club Mix on the case/CD.
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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2015, 04:08:28 PM »
@Kaysa


Whoa now..?? Shortened? What do you mean?

On both IAT and RHIMA cd's they are 3;58 and 3;59 . Only final master differences.

I meant the name!
Sorry for the confusion. Space Jazz Dubmen Mix vs. Club Mix on the case/CD.

Ohhhhhhh I see what you mean, sorry haha. Didn't mean to sound snappy, I was actually wondering.

Thinking if maybe you were meaning The heartless (Serdlidlm Mix)

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Re: Master List of HIM Songs
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Awesome thread, thanks for this!