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Title: Gas left the band
Post by: Amethyst on January 27, 2015, 01:01:00 PM
This was posted on Gas' Facebook page about 10 minutes ago. I'm in shock.



FINAL WORDS


With a heavy heart I'm announcing my departure from HIM, a magnificent band that I've been part of for the past 16 magical years. It has been a journey that I will remember for the rest of my life. There is no drama, bad blood or any negativity involved in my departure.

I simply feel that it's time for me to move on as a musician.

I have noticed during the final stages of our last tour that my heart was not in it 100% anymore.

I've always been a guy who played every note straight from my heart and I feel the music very strongly while I perform.
If my heart feels that it's time to let it go, then I have to listen because otherwise it wouldn't be right towards myself, the rest of the band or you wonderful fans.
It would end up being a forced effort and I can't perform or create like that.

Another thing that I've recently started to miss is songwriting. I've always been a songwriter. I didn't feel the need to write after I joined the band in 1999 and noticed that Ville is a tremendous songwriter. In my mind he has never brought a single half assed song to the practice room. Every song was top notch and I felt that I didn't have the need to stir the mix. All of his songs were amazing as he presented them. But last fall I've started to feel that I'm missing writing again and that I would like to pursue my own musical interests. I started to miss the feeling of being in a band, where I could be one of the songwriters again.

Three years ago, I had a very heavy year with my arm problems and it took a toll on me.
It took me 9 stressful months to get back into playing shape, but after recording the "Tears On Tape" record and performing 100 + live shows following the release of that record, I can safely say that I'm back 100% physically and mentally. Those 9 stressful months were one of the toughest periods I have ever experienced throughout my career and adding everything mentioned above, I feel that I need a change in life. I need a fresh start.

I have nothing but great words to say about my brothers: Ville, Mige, Burton, and Linde, our touring crew Viltsu, Antti, Manne, Sean, Brad and our management Seppo, Taina and Vuokko. I wish them nothing but a great success in the future! They are all amazing people and it has been a pleasure working with them all of these years.
I'd like to as well thank all the record company people, promoters, past crew members, producers and engineers that I've had the privilege to get to know and work with. You rock BIG TIME!

And for the last but not the least important I'd like to thank all of you fabulous fans. Thank you for your never ending support and love. HIM has the best fans in the world!
Without you, nothing would've been possible.

I hope that our paths will cross again eventually and you can count on that I'm going to keep you posted about my future endeavours in the crazy world of Musicland. Stay tuned!

Cheers, Gas Lipstick.


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Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 01:09:51 PM
Oh wow....

I don't know what to say.  Gas was such a good dude. 

I'd say that maybe this would take the band in a different direction, but with Ville retaining full control of song writing, it's doubtful.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Len777 on January 27, 2015, 01:14:57 PM
Man this sucks. :'(
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Amethyst on January 27, 2015, 01:15:32 PM
I've spent the past 10 minutes trying to find evidence that this is a bad joke... Maybe I'm following a fake page or... I don't know what. I guess it's not.

I had thought that Gas might leave the band due to medical issues, but according to him he's perfectly healthy and it's something he does for himself.

Man... I can't believe this.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 01:17:53 PM
He tweeted about it as well.  HIM will sound the same, but certainly won't look the same.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Peter Forge on January 27, 2015, 01:19:49 PM
I dont know how in Finland but in my country is January not April!
That's is evidence how serious is middlelife crisis!
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 01:22:11 PM
I dont know how in Finland but in my country is January not April!
That's is evidence how serious is middlelife crisis!

You know, at first I also thought it was some kind of joke.  An early April Fool's...but I believe we're wrong. 
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Amethyst on January 27, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I dont know how in Finland but in my country is January not April!
That's is evidence how serious is middlelife crisis!

Meh, I'm just in denial. I'll take my bitterness out on the new drummer eventually.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 01:24:05 PM
Maybe it is a joke.  He didn't thank Bam in his final post.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: MiLToS_666 on January 27, 2015, 01:26:46 PM
Oh wow... that was unexpected!
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: six6sixways2love on January 27, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
absolutely devastated by this. It happens to bands all the time, but it's not supposed to happen to "my" band. This is what we get from making fun of his drumming and stuff
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 01:39:43 PM
i still dont believe that, even though it was announced on The Heartagram facegook page as well
this statement is weird : "Shell-shocked yet determined, HIM are currently investigating different ways to imitate the sound of drums with machines."

is it a joke right? i mean the Gas leaving and HIM imitating drum sounds with the drum machine.....

if that is deadly serious departure of Gas from HIM, then i think its right on place to make a SERIOUS "thank you" video, because Gas definitely deserves that !!!  He needs to know that we all support him and we all wont be touched with his departure

the second thing is that i am not that shocked, i mean it was like few months already that i had a weird feeling that Burton will leave, i didnt think that Gas will be the one, i was always thinking that Burton will quit , because he always seemed so unhappy on stage and seriously i was worried that when someone will left the band , the bad things will just follow
The second wave of worries came right when Ville announced his Rambo Rimbaud solo project and another bad feelings occured when this Rambo Rimbaud album was announced to be released, i was telling myself that its looking weird because Ville has been a songwriter since he was a kid and never really released a solo project
Now Gas has left the building, i mean there was never such a worry in my heart that the HIM will just quit as a band

and if the things will be OK and they will continue without Gas, i think we will wait for a new album much longer than it was planned so
i feel pretty much shattered , altough i still dont believe that

it must be some bad joke, or someone just hacked his accounts or i dont know, i wish this was not a reality


that SUCKS

Gas i wish you all the best and i hope you are just kidding
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 01:44:25 PM
I agree with you @616 as I thought Burton would be leaving soon for some reason. 

Do you think it'll ever get to a point to where there's only 1 or 2 original members left?  Or would they stop before that point.  I mean they've been friends since they were kids.  Of course if Ville leaves, then it's all over. 

But would you accept the band without Linde and Burton? Or without Mige and Burton?

As for the drum machine shit, there's no way they they think they can replace the man with a machine.  And they need to give him a proper send off.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: AcousticFuneral on January 27, 2015, 01:52:52 PM
Well I'm shocked but perhaps I felt the Rambo Rimbaud announcement was bad news I can't see why Ville would need a side project when lets face it he has complete control overs HIM's musical direction. I think this might be the end of HIM. It seemed stange during Helldone when Ville gave a speech at the end about how they hoped to be back soon but really didn't know.
I don't think it'll ever get to the point where there's only Ville and Mige left or whoever, I think this might be the end now with Lioneye reformed and RR. I just think a new member would be strange after all these years it was fine in the early years when they'd only been a band for 5 minutes but is been the same lineup now for almost 15 years.

Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 02:09:40 PM
from what Ville said about how bad it looked with the band when Gas was injured and it was not sure if he will be able to beat the hell out of the drums ever again,
-Ville said that they had this serious discussion about what to do
and that was so serious , fortunately things went well and it was OK

it looks weird, i mean the excuse that Gas want to write songs again, that just doesnt fit it for me
its not the reason to quit the band after 16 years , Linde wanted to write his songs so there is Daniel Lioneye, Mige had his album, Ville is making Rambo Rimbaud stuff
and Gas has been always in few metal bands and stuff

the more i think about it, the bigger my fear is

with Rambo Rimbaud album coming , possible new Daniel Lioneye album coming , do you think that they will continue as HIM ?

its always difficult to be in the band, but i survived the departure of John Frusciante from RHCP i will survive this as well
the fact is that RHCP is not the same anymore without John
in this case, i think that HIM will sound the same (if they will continue) , but they will just look different as Jay said

or maybe Ville will be on drums and they will have some concert drummer?
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: DarkSecret666 on January 27, 2015, 02:10:19 PM
Gas is an awesome drummer, but suddenly he just leaves... He will be the #1 HIM drummer in the world. What does this mean for HIM in 2015 ?
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
It seemed stange during Helldone when Ville gave a speech at the end about how they hoped to be back soon but really didn't know.


EXACTLY!!!! i completely forgot to mention it in my post above, that was so weird
the entire Helldone was some kind of weird - Daniel Lioneye with Mige and Ville
Rambo Rimbaud - Ville solo
at one point it almost looked like it was some farewell shit for the fans
who know what is going on, seriously

Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: six6sixways2love on January 27, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
I'd be shocked if they pulled some Sister's of Mercy shite and do a drum machine.

I'll totally okay with Lioneye, RR, just as long as it gives them a creative outlet to them re explore HIM again in the future.

it looks weird, i mean the excuse that Gas want to write songs again, that just doesnt fit it for me

there's probably alot we don't know about that made him leave. I don't think it's a fair accusation to say he left for the wrong reason
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Alex on January 27, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
i dont think this is news for the band... they know about this at least from one year!

first they said the next HIM album will come in the end of 2016!
Gas sold his drum kits
They release all old albums in USA.
And in the end Ville started a sideproject

Hard to believe but is true.... well its not same as 2001 when Zoltan left but somehow i think some refresh in band will be interesting. Or more like restart?

Shell-shocked yet determined, HIM are currently investigating different ways to imitate the sound of drums with machines.

I think they just want to show that Gas is just irreplaceable... well or i just cant imagine a drum machine on the stage lol!
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 02:41:12 PM
I'd hope that if Gas told them "Hey, this is my last tour" they would have given him a proper send off.  I believe him when he says there is no animosity with his leaving, but maybe there's more info to come.

I don't think the side projects will be the end of the band.  After all, how long has that rumored Ville acoustic album been in the works? I guess you could count the 2nd disc of Screamworks.  But if I remember correctly, Under the Rose was supposed to be on that acousitc disc.

I don't think Gas leaving will be the end of it either.  Maybe we'll get some demos leaked with the THTBA sound while they work on the new album.  I can't see them realistically touring with a machine.  Sabbath would never do that.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 02:47:12 PM
Ville is a drummer , i dont think they will use a drum machine anymore
but if they will continue they need a new drummer because Ville cant sing and drum so i think we have two options to come
1. the end of the HIM
2. a new drummer (or maybe old one? it would be mega cool to see Patka back in the band)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
Yeah, I could totally see Ville just writing and recording the drums and them just getting a touring drummer.  An old face would be awesome though!
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Daedalus on January 27, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
I agree with 616...there's a good chance that A. The next album is recorded with Ville on drums, and then they will find a drummer after the album is completed, but before they go to tour. B. They are done. Ville hinted that this might have happened had Gas not been able to come back for Tears on Tape. I REALLY hope this isn't the case. All I know is, I'm going to be listening to a lot of HIM tonight.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Amethyst on January 27, 2015, 02:51:16 PM
Well I'm shocked but perhaps I felt the Rambo Rimbaud announcement was bad news I can't see why Ville would need a side project when lets face it he has complete control overs HIM's musical direction. I think this might be the end of HIM. It seemed stange during Helldone when Ville gave a speech at the end about how they hoped to be back soon but really didn't know.
I don't think it'll ever get to the point where there's only Ville and Mige left or whoever, I think this might be the end now with Lioneye reformed and RR. I just think a new member would be strange after all these years it was fine in the early years when they'd only been a band for 5 minutes but is been the same lineup now for almost 15 years.

You're right, if you piece all those together HIM doesn't seem to have a very long future ahead... Guess we can only count on the fact that they've been together for such a long time, and they're practically a family (especially Ville, Mige and Linde). Not being together as HIM anymore should feel like something's missing.

On the other hand, seeing that 3/5 members feel the need for new paths in their careers, all at the same time, perhaps they think that they've reached a point where they can't go any further creatively. Which would be a shame, but if it is so (and I hate saying this), it might be better to end it now than to push themselves into making 2-3 more mediocre albums and splitting up because that will be the only option.

Hah, just yesterday I was reading posts on what we'd want the next album to be like and here we are today discussing whether they'll carry on at all. Anyway, I want to avoid going all "omg himissplittingup himissplittingup omg". We'll see...
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 02:53:35 PM
i still cant accept that
 i wish this was a marketing turn because reissues are not selling well
Gas please dont leave
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Alex on January 27, 2015, 03:11:23 PM
did you notice his t-shirt? giving the game to the next :D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10945527_768984823196257_688419405914302166_n.jpg?oh=a113398931389d9f82615918b7f84668&oe=556745C1&__gda__=1431744512_bc38dea7e7c61b158e6c22e08a1b10ca)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Len777 on January 27, 2015, 03:22:49 PM
I think Ville should let the other guys in the band collaborate some, most likely the reason why the last two albums have been a tad stale.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Zhivago on January 27, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
Damn.  :(
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 27, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
hey guys

lets make a nice thank you-video for Gas
like a well meant and nice gesture from the fans

what do you think? i was thinking maybe collecting some short fan amateur like 5 seconds clips that are saying "thank you Gas" or something like that in really few seconds, you have webcams and stuff so its not a problem to say few words to Gas
adding some nice moments and stuff and few words so the message will be clear - that we wont forget him and he is our beloved Gas Lipstick of His Infernal Majesty

we owe him , he deserves some kind of thank , not just in form of facebook comments you know
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 03:52:03 PM
did you notice his t-shirt? giving the game to the next :D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10945527_768984823196257_688419405914302166_n.jpg?oh=a113398931389d9f82615918b7f84668&oe=556745C1&__gda__=1431744512_bc38dea7e7c61b158e6c22e08a1b10ca)

I wonder if he planned that or just a coincidence.  Maybe he knows they're already looking for a replacement (as I'm sure he told them he was leaving a while back), but can't comment on that or doesn't know the status.  He seems like he's been honest in his interactions with fans, so who knows.

It'll be interesting to see the next interviews with Ville.

hey guys

lets make a nice thank you-video for Gas
like a well meant and nice gesture from the fans

what do you think? i was thinking maybe collecting some short fan amateur like 5 seconds clips that are saying "thank you Gas" or something like that in really few seconds, you have webcams and stuff so its not a problem to say few words to Gas
adding some nice moments and stuff and few words so the message will be clear - that we wont forget him and he is our beloved Gas Lipstick of His Infernal Majesty

we owe him , he deserves some kind of thank , not just in form of facebook comments you know

I like that idea!
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 666WTLOnVinylFTW on January 27, 2015, 04:07:21 PM
Well, this is a pretty fucked up way to start my day. I haven't even been awake for five minutes yet. I check Facebook and I see a picture of Gas waving that says "FINAL WORDS'. I can't even comprehend what is happening right now.

I feel like it would be wise for Ville to release a statement now, reiterating that there wasn't any bad blood between the band and Gas just to get that out of the way to keep the rumors at bay, and also mentioning what their (HIM's) intentions now are following his departure. I need to know what's truly going on so I can wrap my head around the situation.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Peter Forge on January 27, 2015, 04:56:47 PM
hey guys

lets make a nice thank you-video for Gas
like a well meant and nice gesture from the fans

what do you think? i was thinking maybe collecting some short fan amateur like 5 seconds clips that are saying "thank you Gas" or something like that in really few seconds, you have webcams and stuff so its not a problem to say few words to Gas
adding some nice moments and stuff and few words so the message will be clear - that we wont forget him and he is our beloved Gas Lipstick of His Infernal Majesty

we owe him , he deserves some kind of thank , not just in form of facebook comments you know

I think that's a great idea! And by the way what about say "thank you" in our languages? You know we are in all rounds in world
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Harker on January 27, 2015, 05:09:29 PM
Damn. Sad news :'(

Unexpected, but not a big surprise. Especially after his arm problems and the recordings.
He has peaked with HIM. And looking at the HIM-future, there won?t be much new under the sun. Same venues, same fans, same songs and if Ville allows it, every three years a new album. I don?t blame him for trying something new, before it?s too late. Probably more To Separate the Flesh from the Bones than HIM.


And come on people, everyone knowns Daniel Lioneye was never serious, just a fun escape from HIM. This year?s Helldone was a cool reunion and a nice and unexpected gift to the fans. And so is Rambo Rimbaud.
Rumors of the end of HIM are as old as Razorblade Romance (Zoltan!) and since Ville tried to walk out of the window. And so are the Ville-is-going-solo rumors. Ever since he picked up an acoustic guitar without another HIM-member nearby.
We all remember the infamous dildo-party.


But Gas has left, that?s sad. Hopefully he will find a project that fits his drumming-style.

And I?m curious about the substitute. A bit too soon, but Mikko Sir?n? Kai Hahto (currently new drummer of Nightwish)? But I guess it will be Ville in the studio and some exchangeable drummer on tour. Ville is a little dictator. But since everyone knows, that's OK.


Just waiting for "Bam/Jesse M. will be the new drummer" comments on Facebook.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 666WTLOnVinylFTW on January 27, 2015, 05:57:02 PM
All valid points, Harker, but I wouldn't be so sure that this isn't the end. I think it's 50/50 as of right now. As you said, there's nothing new left for the band HIM anymore. They've already reached their peak, and now they're well past it. The guys are all getting up there in age. Ville will practically always have an audience and a fan base no matter what he does and when he does it. For the other guys, though, I'm sure they'd like to do their own things on their own time and not have to worry about the obligations that come along with being a part of HIM before they're too old to be able to do that and truly enjoy it. I can imagine all of the guys feel the same way that Gas does to varying degrees. What more is there to achieve? Do I really have fun playing the same songs over and over again each night on tour? Is it still worth it to do this? Sadly, if this is the end of the band, they're going out on a whimper, which is not what I had imagined, but then again I never really imagined too much the time when it would truly be all over. I'd love to see one more classic album with the band giving it all they've got so they can go out with a bang and give us one hell of a farewell tour, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I just don't want them to keep carrying on for the sake of carrying on if everyone's not on the same page and their hearts aren't 100% into it. At the end of the day, I guess I'd rather have nothing at all than a forced effort that isn't quite up to par, as sad as it would be to never have a new HIM album or a new HIM tour to look forward to. The band has definitely lost some steps over the last few years. I'd understand if they felt like there was nowhere left to go with the band and that they couldn't produce new HIM material on the same level that they want to and we expect anymore.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jaded_Heart on January 27, 2015, 06:17:45 PM
Devastated over the news. I read the post at lunchtime and it was difficult to hold my composure. I think it's just that I feel sad for the guys.  :( Think about it- you spend over a decade with someone and then they decide to move on. I truly believe there are no hard feelings between them all.  I am sure they are all feeling the loss just as much as the fans. And that was no easy decision for Gas to make. I admire him for being courageous enough to pursue his own creative happiness.  And it's better to leave now than to ignore the unfulfilled feeling and let it turn into resentment and cause problems in the band. I think he's doing the right thing, sad as I am he's leaving.

As for the future of HIM....there have always been rumors of them breaking up or quitting. No need to worry until we hear something official.  To me, these guys ONLY know music, it's in their blood. So whether they carry on as HIM and do side projects for their other creative outlets or just move on to other bands - I don't think we'll be missing any opportunities for some great music in the future. 

Someone mentioned the comment that Ville made at Helldone  -I can see how it can be interpreted in many different ways.  Not sure if I believe he was hinting at the demise of the band. He could have just been eluding to the fact that Gas was leaving.  And maybe he felt at that moment he wouldn't and couldn't be sure when they would be back. To me that would be a true statement, made in the moment. And maybe they don't have any idea who they would consider to replace Gas. So I personally think it's more to do with that than meaning the band is quitting. 

HIM is their "job".  I've been on my job for over 10 years, so I can understand how it can become boring and tiresome at time. Maybe they just need some time to regroup and reconsider what they want out of the music industry?  Sure, Ville writes the songs and contributes a large portion to the group, but that doesn't mean there isn't something else he's been wanting to explore. And that goes for the others.

I think the comment about the drum machine was just meant to be light hearted. Not sure I think it was entirely appropriate, but at the same time, maybe they wanted it to be a lighter connotation because they knew fans would be upset and sad.  Hoping they make an official statement and at least let us know what the future of the band holds. We certainly love them and want them all to be happy, but no communication makes us rabid and frantic. LOL

Whoa, I've rambled on a lot.... :-[


***** I love the idea of making a video for Gas as a farewell!  He does deserve that after so many years pounding the drums behind the guys.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: dr3amsofglass on January 27, 2015, 07:04:01 PM
Fuck, you guys. I'm stunned. I have nothing constructive to add, other than please share updates if you get them. I wish all the best for Gas, but I also need to know that this is not the end... So sad.

I'm hoping that the drum machine comment was just a weird attempt to reassure fans that it's not over, but I think it has just left me even more unsettled.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2015, 07:39:33 PM
I think we'll get some clarity once the band speaks. I wish there was an interview lined up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: dr3amsofglass on January 27, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
I think we'll get some clarity once the band speaks. I wish there was an interview lined up tomorrow.

This is one of those times where I really wish this band had a bit of internet presence. I'm faaaar too impatient for this.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jaded_Heart on January 27, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
I think we'll get some clarity once the band speaks. I wish there was an interview lined up tomorrow.

This is one of those times where I really wish this band had a bit of internet presence. I'm faaaar too impatient for this.

I agree. It reminds me of when the shows were cancelled when Ville had pneumonia. One by one they dropped each date of the tour and it was a few days before we heard anything. I know I was panicked thinking something really bad happened.... now we just play the waiting game.  I'm depressed!!  This is sad.  I would be crushed if they didn't carry on.   :(
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: vampireheart616 on January 27, 2015, 11:03:29 PM
Couldn't believe it once i saw it posted  :'(o
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 666WTLOnVinylFTW on January 28, 2015, 04:48:54 AM
I think we'll get some clarity once the band speaks. I wish there was an interview lined up tomorrow.

This is one of those times where I really wish this band had a bit of internet presence. I'm faaaar too impatient for this.

Exactly. When something like this happens, it sucks to just be left in the dark wondering. I'm sure the band knew when Gas was going to make his announcement, they should've had a press release ready to go. Maybe they aren't sure about the future yet, but it would still be nice to know that. Speaking of press releases, when I did a Google search for Gas Lipstick, only four websites were reporting the news, and only two I've ever even heard of.

It's a little bit sad that Gas mentioned on his Facebook that during the last US tour, not a single venue was sold out. Coincidently, he now says that during that tour is when he realized he just wasn't into it anymore. From Warner Bros. to The End. From sold out shows to unsold tickets. It just kind of sucks that he couldn't go out in top.

I just can't imagine them wanting to replace Gas with a new guy after all these years and bring someone else into the band as a permanent member. They could always go the route of having a studio/tour drummer instead of actually adding a true new member. Whatever the case, if there will be another album, I don't want Ville playing the drums on it. He knows how to play, obviously, but I would rather have a “real” drummer. As sad as it is to lose Gas, I am excited for the potential of a new drummer and what they will bring to the table, but I'll definitely miss seeing and hearing Gas at any future HIM shows.

Back to the social media thing. Can you imagine if Ville had an Instagram? All he would have to do is post a picture of himself holding one of the new reissued vinyls and say that he wants fans to do the same, and bitches would be walking 500 miles (and 500 more) just to fall down at the door of the record store after buying the merch and taking a selfie with it in hopes that Ville will notice them. All jokes aside, you have to do stuff like that nowadays. Back in the day, all you had to do was sign a contract and you were golden. You can't just write, record, tour, and party anymore. You have to actually engage with fans and do some work to promote yourselves, something the band has never been good at.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 28, 2015, 07:04:37 AM
if they all knew before Helldone that Gas is leaving, why they didnt tell it on Helldone already? They could make a nice farewell Gas show

if they knew, what was the point of keeping it secret until yesterday when Gas announced it? If there was not a bad blood or anything, why they didnt let their friend Gas to have a special evening dedicated to him on Helldone? i mean, he was with them for 16 years.

and why they just left us with questions, without anything?

seeing HIM on stage without Gas and his glass shield, it will be so weird
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: AndreRibeiroPT on January 28, 2015, 07:36:59 AM
I still can´t believe...

I´m used to see this happen in other bands, but not in my favourite band...f***...

I wish him all the best in the future and hope that HIM can solve this, for them and for all of us.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2015, 08:31:14 AM
if they all knew before Helldone that Gas is leaving, why they didnt tell it on Helldone already? They could make a nice farewell Gas show

if they knew, what was the point of keeping it secret until yesterday when Gas announced it? If there was not a bad blood or anything, why they didnt let their friend Gas to have a special evening dedicated to him on Helldone? i mean, he was with them for 16 years.

and why they just left us with questions, without anything?

seeing HIM on stage without Gas and his glass shield, it will be so weird

May be the gig was special dedicated to him and they all know it... we dont! and may be we dont need to... its not our business..... I dont think Ville or the other guys like such sweet goodbyes.
The questions will be cleared.... till somewhere  :)

They are family... I dont think Gas will leave the band from today for tomorrow. He will never do this to the band IMO...this is something they have talked over and over again. They have choose the best moment for his retirement and for sure they have some ideas what to do...
I still believe that they'r gonna do some festivals this year probably mostly in Europe and definitely work on the new songs and projects....
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Inferno on January 28, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
I certainly don't hope that this causes a ripple effect where, at the very least, Burton questions himself and begins feeling the same way as Gas. I don't see Mige or Linde ever leaving... The band would break up before that happens, but if Gas' leaving causes Burton to question himself and ultimately leave then I'd say the band is in some serious trouble.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: AcousticFuneral on January 28, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
Ive just seen in a Finnish newspaper that the band only found out last week and the band had planned to continue in 2016 after a break this year, so Ville will now think about everything.
http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/a1422419827723 (http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/a1422419827723)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 28, 2015, 01:41:28 PM
Here's a Google translate of that article...probably some errors.  Though I intentionally left "Valo" translated as "Light" in some places, lol.  I bolded some interesting parts but didn't really edit the translation.

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HIM came with unexpected news Tuesday, the band's drummer Mika "Gas Lipstick" Karppinen decided to leave the band. This is the first time in 16 years, when a successful worldwide helsinkil?isyhtyeen lines open out.

"This is really a personal thing, because we know just which schools and played 16 years together," the band's frontman, vocalist Ville Valo commented on the atmosphere within the band. "Kind of like one limb would be torn off, and now have to learn to walk again or to shake hands."

Karppinen said in its letter to leave the band of their own accord, as the "heart was no longer there." He wants to continue to time new projects and song writing.

Light manages to sound sincere when he declares to have been the difference Karppinen your decision. The band heard about it about a week ago, and the information came as a surprise to the other.

"The jaws were pretty country when it was heard. It was just around the corner," he says. "I have to say that it is a bold move to go to try something new. It was not fakkiutuneen human decision."

"Somewhat surprisingly, this did not result in any ketutusta or flaidista. Not his decision can not but respect, whether caused midlife crisis or whatever."

HIM this year plans Karppinen difference has no direct impact, as the band was in any case about to break. One and a half year-long world tour last concert of the new year at Tavastia, Helsinki, and the future gigs have not been agreed.


"We had a plan, that will be held Snadi respite and go for the rehearsals and nostalgic. Now I have to think about new, that what's next," Light says. "Initial Shock probably take time, but I think that the band will return again in 2016, when the stars are in the right position."

On Tuesday, the release published HIM grinned Karppinen replace the drum machine, and reset the light now, "a five-penny a joke." In fact, HIM is in front of a search for a new drummer, but an open search and koesoittorumbaan band is not going to leave.

"Our band has always gone to all my friends via. And those guys are now a little bit, when all the bridges are burned," light laugh. "At first, I thought the band suggests that, for me personally I could bang on the drums. Liksa but would rise."

"And you have to remember that no gas is the band's first drummer. We have had four drummers, so even in relation to our reminds Spinal Tap," The light parody of the film refers to the familiar rock band, the problem is exploding drummers.

In the end, more serious light and admits that finding a new drummer will not be easy. According to him, the long history divides the band has become such a normal family, that no one can directly jump to the old boots.

"This is better to think in peace."

"In any case, this will mean the band something new. The new drummer comes with a new breath of force," he says, and turns over the difference between the positive side.

"Skilled in skilless drummer would fit into this category - a bit like Bill Ward of Black Sabbath. The drummer must have an identity, which can be recognized as soon as it starts to play."
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: MiLToS_666 on January 28, 2015, 02:29:03 PM
Here's a proper translation of this article:

http://www.heartagram.it/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1680%3Aville-talks-about-the-leaving-of-gas&catid=34&Itemid=135 (http://www.heartagram.it/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1680%3Aville-talks-about-the-leaving-of-gas&catid=34&Itemid=135)

Thanks to Heidi Malin for the english translation and The Heartagram Path for posting it.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2015, 02:43:10 PM
No festivals in 2016, they know from one week???
i'll not waste my money on the lottery  ;D

Miltos now you can invite Gas in Greece to rock off and take all demo cd's! :)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: AcousticFuneral on January 28, 2015, 03:02:19 PM
I dont think they ever planned to do any festivals this year, they dont really have anything to promote in Europe and we have to remember they've been on tour since summer 2013. Nothing is mentioned about touring in 2016.I think the earliest we could see them is Helldone 2015 if we're lucky but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2015, 03:36:01 PM
Lets say that i believe Ville words!
Its nice that Gas sold the drum kits while he was still part of the band.... Its normal to pretend that everything happens now not 6 month ago.....
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on January 28, 2015, 03:46:43 PM
i wish he sold the demo CDs as well, to me   ;D
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Moonlith on January 28, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Could the fact that Gas' wife (probably along with the man himself and their daughter) is moving over to the US have something to do with this?

http://lartoffashion.blogspot.fi/2015_01_01_archive.html (http://lartoffashion.blogspot.fi/2015_01_01_archive.html)

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I also wanted to announce that I'll be indefinitely relocating
to US. I'm going there in a month from now for the school, but also checking
all of my options as a photographer and blogger.
Let's see what the future holds for me, I'm at the same time excited and
anxious.
I hope that you'll follow along with me on this journey!


I also stumbled upon an article on a Finnish news website from last spring that discussed this same issue. Will post if it isn't old news already here.

About the departure itself, as a HIM fan I naturally had to do a triple take when I saw Gas' message on Facebook. Like many, I was more worried that Burton was going to pack his bags. Gas always seemed to be the most enthusiastic of the guys.

Then again, as it has been pointed out a couple of times already, HIM as a band is already towards the end of its career anyway. They peaked long ago, and I would be truly surprised if they keep recording new music after the next album. Unless the next album and tour become very successful, as I can't imagine they'll feel like touring the same countries and venues, seeing the same fans and playing the same old songs year after year.

This I'm sure is one of the factors Ville meant when he said things need to be thought over: how long is the band going to continue, and thus how long of a commitment will they propose to whoever picks up Gas' drumsticks?

Ville's speech at helldone about "hopefully" seeing us soon was just him pretending not to have some kind of inkling about the band's future plans, we all know he's a romantic and likes to leave things upon in the air, even though professional musicians often have clear schedules that span even years into the future.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Ziggy18 on January 28, 2015, 04:51:58 PM
Such a disappointment.  This might be good to have a different druming style in the band.  Billy should play the drums and sing.   Im glad they didnt break up HIM for good.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: dr3amsofglass on January 28, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
Well, I am breathing again! I'm surprised we actually heard from Ville so quickly. I don't think I could endure another Screamworks-esque silence from this damn band...

It really sucks to lose Gas, but I'm glad he's leaving on his own terms and is happy.

Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Thanatos on January 28, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
I've seen his coming since he was selling his stuff..

I would like to pursue my own musical interests yeah, i always think he get more excited withstuff like grindcore or death metal. anyways he'll be missed :/
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Ziggy18 on January 29, 2015, 01:40:35 AM
i'm going to follow gas lipstick till the end.   I know he loves the pitttsburgh penguins so I hope he moves here.   if not LA, or NY.   I just never want the band to break up.   Valo, Linde and Mige is HIM forever.   Best scandanavian band ever.   

EDIT; I
ive been holding back tears,   thinkin how special RR for the first is and TOT the last is,   getting fucked up cuz of this is sooooo sad and im in love and lonely lol.  things llike thesacrament.net make me not want  to die without my julliet.   any girl in Pittsburgh on here that pms me will be my soulmate.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: KissTheVoid on January 29, 2015, 05:31:16 AM
The only way I can really express my thoughts on this is in random list form.

I think Gas made the right decision. Nobody will get any younger and he still has time to do other things. Maybe a new drummer could refresh the band vibe. Actually I kind of hope whoever it is fucks it up a bit. I think the band got a little too comfortable. A bit too settled. In fact they should get a drummer with a super massive ego who clashes with Ville. Okay.... not really. That last part is me being silly but you get the idea. I for sure think that Ville should NOT do the drumming, at all. Just, no.

For some reason Burton leaving never has really crossed my mind. Keyboards aren't all that common in bands nowadays and I think it just grants so much to the sound. I think Burton would be a thousand times harder to replace than finding a new drummer just because it is so rare now. Which I guess is just why I feel he wouldn't go. Sure you can throw any random person on a keyboard but that doesn't make them recording or tour material. Burton is a classically trained pianist. Actually I think it would be so interesting if they gave him a bit more leeway, more potential chances for stuff like The Sacrament.

I am going to hope for now that all the side projects coming back is a good thing and just the band breaking out and letting loose a bit to keep from stagnating. If I had to do the same songs over and over I would want to as well.

Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Ziggy18 on January 29, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Honestly Ville, Mige and Linde are HIM and burton is extrordinary compared to zulton.  I actually like the druming from glsv66 and prior better but as a person Mikka Karpinen is my man.   Atleast he didnt die like the Rev in Avenged sevenfold.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 29, 2015, 10:52:45 AM
Here's a proper translation of this article:

[url]http://www.heartagram.it/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1680%3Aville-talks-about-the-leaving-of-gas&catid=34&Itemid=135[/url] ([url]http://www.heartagram.it/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1680%3Aville-talks-about-the-leaving-of-gas&catid=34&Itemid=135[/url])

Thanks to Heidi Malin for the english translation and The Heartagram Path for posting it.


Are you suggesting my translation wasn't proper?  :P

The properly translated article cleared up a lot though.

I'm also glad that he isn't dead.  I'll continue to see his tweets about his lunches and culinary adventures. 

I wonder if that's going to be a new project of his?  More formal, like a food blog or something from an Andrew Zimmern that can play blast beats, lol.

BTW @KissTheVoid I love your avatar :)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: KissTheVoid on January 29, 2015, 04:59:56 PM
Honestly Ville, Mige and Linde are HIM and Burton is extraordinary compared to zulton.  I actually like the drumming from glsv666 and prior better but as a person Mikka Karpinen is my man.   At least he didn't die like the Rev in Avenged Sevenfold.

Aw man, that is so true. Avenged Sevenfold was my favorite band before HIM took that honor. Rev just seemed like the coolest, funniest guy. A7X was playing the concert I went to that HIM was playing and when Matt did Fiction I had tears in my eyes. I also happened to be standing on the hill level with the bright top lights of the  light show.... which were blinding me half the time..... didn't help my eyes any lol
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Moonlith on January 30, 2015, 09:36:17 AM
Could the fact that Gas' wife (probably along with the man himself and their daughter) is moving over to the US have something to do with this?

[url]http://lartoffashion.blogspot.fi/2015_01_01_archive.html[/url] ([url]http://lartoffashion.blogspot.fi/2015_01_01_archive.html[/url])

Quote
I also wanted to announce that I'll be indefinitely relocating
to US. I'm going there in a month from now for the school, but also checking
all of my options as a photographer and blogger.
Let's see what the future holds for me, I'm at the same time excited and
anxious.
I hope that you'll follow along with me on this journey!


Sure enough:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8mqKjUIMAE_DFc.jpg)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Jay on January 30, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
Man In-N-Out Burger really destroyed our band. I heard its good, but is it good enough to relocate your family for?
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Daedalus on January 30, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
Nah.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: JulienVlad on January 30, 2015, 09:30:08 PM
Devasted and sad with this news, but I hope the band continue.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: KuusiYksiKuusi on January 31, 2015, 02:28:00 AM
Man In-N-Out Burger really destroyed our band. I heard its good, but is it good enough to relocate your family for?

I'm gonna get some flack from the Californians on the forum, but when I hit up In-N-Out in San Francisco it seemed like an awfully long line for a cheap burger and some Christian propaganda. Let's say in terms of American fast food it's pretty good.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: dr3amsofglass on January 31, 2015, 02:22:52 PM
Man In-N-Out Burger really destroyed our band. I heard its good, but is it good enough to relocate your family for?

I just choked and shot soda out of my nose! Well played.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: playdead616 on January 31, 2015, 04:03:20 PM
Gas' drumming style was integral to HIM in my personal opinion. He based much of his playing off of what Patka brought to the band, but then grew and evolved with the bands sound. To me it is his feel and rhythm that gives his playing such a unique quality. The fact that he plays lefty on a right kit, gives a person a whole different feel on the kit. I will miss hearing his playing with the band. I hope Ville records from here on and finds a touring member.

If you listen to GLS666 and even RR, the solid beats with little fills or time fluctuations, Ville could very well write and record to HIMs sound formula, considering his playing style even with DL & the Rollers.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: KissTheVoid on February 02, 2015, 02:16:54 AM
Man In-N-Out Burger really destroyed our band. I heard its good, but is it good enough to relocate your family for?

I have heard of them but I have never seen an In-N-Out Burger in my state. So I know not of that experience.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Inferno on February 03, 2015, 01:35:36 AM
Man In-N-Out Burger really destroyed our band. I heard its good, but is it good enough to relocate your family for?

I'm gonna get some flack from the Californians on the forum, but when I hit up In-N-Out in San Francisco it seemed like an awfully long line for a cheap burger and some Christian propaganda. Let's say in terms of American fast food it's pretty good.
A lot of people see the lines and expect that it'll take them forever to get their food. In this case, the size of the line doesn't matter... It only proves how good it is because you still get your food just as fast as anyone else.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Ziggy18 on February 21, 2015, 04:56:51 PM

I wonder what Gas will do next?  I really like his faster drum cababilities like this... Almost forgot about this.  Would be nice to hear him in a heavy band that isnt finnish death metal with short songs.TSTFFTB (http://youtu.be/cx-e4SnFUV0)


Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Zhivago on August 09, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
They seem happier without Gas.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Peter Forge on August 09, 2015, 03:09:36 PM
They seem happier without Gas.

me too
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on August 09, 2015, 04:05:40 PM
just my 1 cent to this topic

I have hundreds of bootlegs , videos and audios - i have seen and heard everything i have, with Patka, Gas and now with Kosmo. Altough i only saw them 4 times  - 2 times with Gas (2005 and 2013) and two times with Kosmo (Fezen and Bratislava last week) i never enjoyed any show, like i enjoyed the Fezen and Bratislava show. I mean 2005 Bratislava gig was my first, i have lost my HIM concert virginity, it was awesome but Bratislava 2015 with Kosmo, oh boy .....

I loved Gas and i still love him, he was a minion and absolutely splendid musician , talented and amazing drummer. I always prefered Patka, simply because he fit into HIM more than Gas. With Kosmo , oh boy , this guy is something that HIM needed, seriously he gave the band absolutely new vibe and they sound as great as they sounded in 1998......  + Kosmo reminds me Patka a little, i think they are a little similar in playing the drums.  I mean Patka is a true hero of mine, he was absolutely brilliant he sounded like a drum machine, no mistakes, everything top. Gas was in HIM for almost 16 years, he was as good as Patka, more natural and he became one of the greatest finnish drummers.

This line-up is very good. Burton is a genius, probably the most talented musician in the band for me. Linde one of the greatest finnish guitar players, nearly as good as Andy McCoy , elite world class guitarist. Mige - actually he is my favorite, i cant imagine HIM without Mige, i said before that if i had to chose just one HIM member that i wanna meet once in my life i would chose Mige without any thinking , he is the greatest. Ville - the brain of HIM, his talent is remarkable but seriously he was never a great singer, he is not a  good drummer either and the other instruments ok he can play them but its not like Burton can play keyboards, what i admire on Ville is that he is a goddamn amazing songwriter and he has his own style in everything, but he srewed up with Matt Squire... , Screamworks would have been amazing with Hiili , now its their worst album but the album with the biggest lyrical potential

Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Eric616 on August 09, 2015, 09:40:52 PM
just my 1 cent to this topic

I have hundreds of bootlegs , videos and audios - i have seen and heard everything i have, with Patka, Gas and now with Kosmo. Altough i only saw them 4 times  - 2 times with Gas (2005 and 2013) and two times with Kosmo (Fezen and Bratislava last week) i never enjoyed any show, like i enjoyed the Fezen and Bratislava show. I mean 2005 Bratislava gig was my first, i have lost my HIM concert virginity, it was awesome but Bratislava 2015 with Kosmo, oh boy .....

I loved Gas and i still love him, he was a minion and absolutely splendid musician , talented and amazing drummer. I always prefered Patka, simply because he fit into HIM more than Gas. With Kosmo , oh boy , this guy is something that HIM needed, seriously he gave the band absolutely new vibe and they sound as great as they sounded in 1998......  + Kosmo reminds me Patka a little, i think they are a little similar in playing the drums.  I mean Patka is a true hero of mine, he was absolutely brilliant he sounded like a drum machine, no mistakes, everything top. Gas was in HIM for almost 16 years, he was as good as Patka, more natural and he became one of the greatest finnish drummers.

This line-up is very good. Burton is a genius, probably the most talented musician in the band for me. Linde one of the greatest finnish guitar players, nearly as good as Andy McCoy , elite world class guitarist. Mige - actually he is my favorite, i cant imagine HIM without Mige, i said before that if i had to chose just one HIM member that i wanna meet once in my life i would chose Mige without any thinking , he is the greatest. Ville - the brain of HIM, his talent is remarkable but seriously he was never a great singer, he is not a  good drummer either and the other instruments ok he can play them but its not like Burton can play keyboards, what i admire on Ville is that he is a goddamn amazing songwriter and he has his own style in everything, but he srewed up with Matt Squire... , Screamworks would have been amazing with Hiili , now its their worst album but the album with the biggest lyrical potential
Wait, Ville isn't an amazing singer?  :o You should see what the people on singing forums say about him. He's one of the greatest rock vocalist in the past 20 years. His range is amazing. And it's not just range. The emotion he sings with adds a lot too.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on August 10, 2015, 12:57:07 AM
Yeah these teenage Ville obsessed girls know a lot about it....
Whether these people are making jokes or they are tone deaf or they comapred him to even worse singers. Great rock singers and Ville Valo? Well that must be really serious forum lol. Great rock singers are not off key on the concerts
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Eric616 on August 10, 2015, 08:43:40 PM
Yeah these teenage Ville obsessed girls know a lot about it....
Whether these people are making jokes or they are tone deaf or they comapred him to even worse singers. Great rock singers and Ville Valo? Well that must be really serious forum lol. Great rock singers are not off key on the concerts
Not teenage girls: http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/t3013-ville-valo (http://therangeplace.forummotions.com/t3013-ville-valo) He has an amazing range for a singer.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Peter Forge on August 11, 2015, 05:49:28 AM
yaaaaaah about this.....AutoTune in studio is beautiful thing but he's not briliant live singer (yeah he was when they played half tone down during Venus Doom Tour)

for example https://youtu.be/Ovu4HOTWFJQ?t=1m37s (https://youtu.be/Ovu4HOTWFJQ?t=1m37s) yeah sure as he admit he was drunk like a hell but he was drunk there too and there he had a balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGHBrmTmBU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGHBrmTmBU)
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Kaysa on August 11, 2015, 09:20:37 AM
His huge range is a well documented fact, and that his voice is particularly beautiful is widely accepted.
If that makes a great singer for you -- all right.
Since most people here listen to bootlegs a lot, you should be able to find songs and gigs where he sounds like shit as well as ones where he sounds great.

But whatever, what starts to bother me even more is that people keep blaming 'Ville obsessed teenage girls' for everything.
They're not the root of all evil, they're not even the root of all HIM-related problems you see.
I can agree that they're writing incredibly annoying YouTube comments, though xD
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: 616 on August 11, 2015, 09:30:46 AM
His vocal range is the same as the other singers, the only difference is that Ville can sing well in closer range, the rest is terrible mostly when live..
Great singer is Steve Perry, Ville is amateur when compared to Perry.. These amateur forums based on software range and tune detection,its silly to even take it serioisly.
Well known fact is that he is not the Great singer,average yes. What makes him génius is his charisma,talent at so gwriting,multiinstrumentalism and style.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Kaysa on August 11, 2015, 12:37:30 PM
I didn't say that he is The Greatest Singer. I said that his range is huge, and it is. Of course there are singers with the same and/or bigger range, but that doesn't change the fact that it is definitely more than average.
There are about 5 octaves documented for Ville. According to musicologist Fischer, the range of professional singers covers 2.5 to over 3 octaves. If Ville's not capable of singing each note in his range precisely live, that's a different issue.

Other than that I'm curious where you found the information that The Range Place is an amateur forum 'based on software range and tune detection' because I couldn't find that information on the page. I mostly read 'I hear this note as ...'
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: AcousticFuneral on August 11, 2015, 06:39:11 PM
For me it's always been his songwriting that has made him exceptional not his singing. I've been to good HIM shows and bad ones but I always enjoy it however Helldone 2012 first night I was shocked at how poor he was.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: Eric616 on August 11, 2015, 10:58:28 PM
The range place is people that figure out ranges of singers. Most of them are singers as well. And Ville is capable of hitting those notes live. If you checked out that page that have a list of his range listed by notes during live songs. They much prefer live to studio.

Not to mention you exaggerate his missed notes. Yes, he has sounded like total shit before. I get that. But that doesn't make him a bad singer. Nobody is perfect every night, every note. Nobody.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: BABL on March 13, 2017, 01:05:58 PM
I think we can all agree that smoking has ruined his voice over the years, Listen back to their early 1998 stuff live and he sounds awesome. He doesnt sound bad live but songs like buried alive by love (where he screams) he sounds like he is in pain.
Title: Re: Gas left the band
Post by: DarkSecret666 on March 13, 2017, 03:54:59 PM
I prefer his voice on the Venus Doom album. Ville's voice during the early HIM sounded more "macho" (I don't know how to explain it). Like he was trying too hard. Not bashing though.