The Sacrament
HIM => News & Rumors => Topic started by: regularwill on November 22, 2014, 03:16:11 PM
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I'll just leave this right here... enjoy!
http://hisinfernalmajestyitaly.forumfree.it/?t=69866416 (http://hisinfernalmajestyitaly.forumfree.it/?t=69866416)
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*sigh* it was bound to happen...I'm surprised it took this long.
I'm just sad that it'll be watered down to YouTube links now. And will this spark interest in the band again, or are only the hardcore fans left?
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Very sad news... The worst birthday present that could receive Ville...
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I blame Bam.
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Worst timing ever from this person....
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Well, there's no sense in trying to pretend like this isn't out now.
I had the initial thought of scrubbing this thread, but what's the sense in that? We didn't leak it, but it is now public and on YouTube. Plus it'd be hypocritical to do not acknowledge it.
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There is no turning back ....
Rest in Peace "SWD"
1998-2014
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ENjoy listening and Happy Birthday Ville ;/
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- SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I-L-L-E-G-A-L !!!!!
after that i can declare without anything that the HIM community nowadays SUCKS , SUCKS and SUCKS once again!!!!!!!!!!!! i dot wanna be part of this so-called HIM community, because i love the band and someone who do this harm to my favorite band is my enemy and not one of us
so to the rest of the life the date when Ville was born is also a date when HIM community became LAME and totally failed officially
congratulations
and now please excuse me i am sick from this twisted mind disordered world i just wanna puke from all of this
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Did I miss something? Why is everyone acting like this is the worse thing ever? Was I the only one that was waiting for the day SWD was finally out there?
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So sick.. the demos are always better before anyone touches the music. This is so awesome... was worried the re-mastered stuff was leaked already when I saw razorblade romance at first. That's crazy it's been 16 years till this has surfaced.
Download it here: https://www.sendspace.com/file/95l5q4 (https://www.sendspace.com/file/95l5q4)
1. Too Happy To Be Alive
2. Gone With The Sin
3. Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart
4. Razorblade Romance
5. Poison Girl
6. Join Me In Death
7. Resurrection
8. Right Here In My Arms
Gone With The Sin really stood out to me as being the most transformed song and my favorite one... I love the guitar riffs and it sounds like love you like I do in the beginning. Really different feel to these it has more of a glsv666 vibe. Poison Girl and Resurrection stand out a bit as well.
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Did I miss something? Why is everyone acting like this is the worse thing ever? Was I the only one that was waiting for the day SWD was finally out there?
I think its more of the way it was leaked. It goes from something cherished to being on YouTube. It's no longer special. But I also know that most fans haven't heard these before.
I think there's now a sense of the holy Grail is now gone.
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Did I miss something? Why is everyone acting like this is the worse thing ever? Was I the only one that was waiting for the day SWD was finally out there?
I think its more of the way it was leaked. It goes from something cherished to being on YouTube. It's no longer special. But I also know that most fans haven't heard these before.
I think there's now a sense of the holy Grail is now gone.
As a collector, I am just glad we can listen to it. The supposed tape that Ville has is the legitimate holy grail.
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Did I miss something? Why is everyone acting like this is the worse thing ever? Was I the only one that was waiting for the day SWD was finally out there?
I think its more of the way it was leaked. It goes from something cherished to being on YouTube. It's no longer special. But I also know that most fans haven't heard these before.
I think there's now a sense of the holy Grail is now gone.
As a collector, I am just glad we can listen to it. The supposed tape that Ville has is the legitimate holy grail.
Haha, well yeah I suppose the tape he has would be. Maybe the Russians will get a hold of that too lol.
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I still can't believe I'm listening to 8 demos from Razorblade Romance... Holy Fuck! I'm probably going to be playing these over and over again.
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For all we know the band could have done this in order to promote the new box set. Let's face it they could use the publicity. Hopefully that is the case and it pays off for them.
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I hope you all enjoy it as much as I have for a while now... I guess it's safe to post the lyrics here now too. And yes... I always thought Gone with the sin was epic too.
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Fuck.
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I was literally just about to go to bed but something told me check the sacrament see if anything interesting finally happened.... AND HOLY DICKS COVERED IN SHIT!!! FUCKIN RAZORBLADE ROMANCE DEMO!??!!? though I hope this doesnt put Ville and the band down they need to know we love their music even the "shitty" demos
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I got it about a month or so ago after a lot of begging(not from whoever leaked this),still loving poison girl and join me which I wanted since I heard the early version of join me. I doubt the band would do this we know Ville wouldn't want this out there. I'm annoyed that someone has leaked it now, even before i had them i wouldn't of wanted this to be how it happened. Lets be honest many of us on here have some Screamworks demos and haven't posted them all over the internet. On a more positive note at least it gives people a chance to hear them and might raise interest in the band.
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Someone please send me the screamworks demos you are talking about. I can't believe people have heard theses RR demos before.. what else exactly is out there that we haven't heard for most of us HIM fans. please PM me. I know there's a scared to death and smother a heart demo out there at least.
Razorblade Romance and Join Me In Death are done in the style they played it in the early live 98 version. It's weird how they used lyrics from Join Me in Poison Girl. I wonder if one or the other could have been tossed.
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are we dreaming? :o
Join Me with Ilosari Lyrics its cool, but i liked more Gone With The Sin
for those who want the youtube video edit by 616: mega ding dang link deleted
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so whats your opinion on the songs everybody? lets talk about it, at least it will be a little bit active here
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Man, am I excited that it's finally out in its entirety! It may just be better than all the bonus tracks announced for the upcoming reissues. And I suppose Ville is pretty much unfazed by this piece of news. So, when is the Witches and Other Night Fears demo coming? ;D
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i meant , write down the review of the demo aka Slippery When Dead , it was actually supposed to be an EP
so lets share your opinion and thoughts
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Right Here In My Arms is my favorite. I love the alternate lyrics and the slower speed of the song. As with everyone else, Gone With The Sin is just amazing...really overshadows the album version.
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Gone With the Sin is amazing. It's been tied with Poison Girl as my favorite. I think I'm more into the bridge of Poison Girl, but I agree Gone With the Sin is much better than the album version.
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I really like the whole vibe of the album. It sounds like a mix between deep shadows and this is only the beginning. The guitar is not as loud as it should be in some parts but it is a demo. All though the guitar solos are really cool with having two different solos happening at once which doesn't happen on a lot of HIM songs. Ville's voice is very different in some songs... it almost sounds like he is trying to sound like someone like chris issak mixed with Robert plant or something lol I can't put my finger on it The drums sound really great and it's cool hearing Gas's first works with the band. I can see why people would say this is the holy grail... (I think it's the witches and other night fears material) but I still think I'm going to favor the LM demos and Hollola tapes once we get to hear more from the re-mastered bonus tracks. I'm just glad that HIM fans can enjoy these finally and I hope this sparks sales for the pre orders and LM Archives Tour.
Gone With The Sin is definitely better than the album version.
Poison Girl is so cool with that bridge I agree. The Join Me lyrics put in the song makes me think of a mix between two songs almost like Doolin Dalton/Desperado by the eagles or the jay-z/linkin park album just to name a few. I like the part right before ville starts singing the first verse... should have kept that in the song.
Resurrection might be better than the album version but it's almost a tie. I do like how it seems much darker and the guitar during the chorus almost sounds like a guitar solo in the background.
Right Here In My Arms is really bad ass. I don't like the alternate chorus but I do like how the verse's are slowed down. Ville's voice and the whole song sound like it came from the 93' and 95' demos.
Join Me In Death again almost like this version better with the long outro. You can piece in the third verse from the live ilosaarirock version.
Razorblade Romance again this is really cool but I do think they got it right on RR. I like the keyboard in this song and the long guitar solo.
Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart almost sounds just like the album version but I do think it's cool to hear Ville singing in a different way on this demo tape.
Too Happy To Be Alive - we've had this for a while now. I like this song but it doesn't seem to fit on the demo.
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The drums sound really great and it's cool hearing Gas's first works with the band.
its not Gas but Pätkä :)
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Damn that's cool. But Gas was on Razorblade Romance the album right?
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Yes.
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Is it Juska or Antto on keyboards? Antto left in 1998 and Juska joined the band after that. I think it's Antto.
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It's not Juska for sure, confirmed.
It's not Antto as well, he already had left the band by the time those were recorded.
I can't be 100% sure but I believe it's written in "the book" that Ville himself plays the keys.
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Cool. Ville handles the keys pretty well :D
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Damn that's cool. But Gas was on Razorblade Romance the album right?
yes Gas is on Razorblade Romance but this was recorded in 1998 before Patka has left the band and Gas joined HIM in 1999
this was supposed to be an EP but then Juska joined the band and Patka left the bulding, then Gas joined the group and they re-recorded it with Gas and Juska and made Razorblade Romance in spring 1999
i believe the keyboards are all by Ville as he can play the piano too , so he can do the keyboards as well
what bothers my mind the most for almost year and a half (or more? not sure) is why there isnt "I Love You" as they performed this song in its early version in 1998 but its not on this ! The early version they performed live in 1998 sounds very much like (White House version) that is on Uneasy listening vol. 2! but its not on Slippery When Dead
i am probably the only one here who doesnt like Gone with the sin that much? I prefer Right Here In My Arms as its pretty heavy and dark, very good and i prefer my most favorite song Resurrection as its pretty dark and heavy too, pretty much like "greatest lovesongs vol 666" vibe.
Razorblade Romance (Kiss) and Join Me are the same as they were performed in 1998 and 1999 live. Pretty good. Poison Girl is definitely the weirderst - it has Join Me lyrics , weird bridge or pre-chorus.
I also think that Too Happy To Be Alive just doesnt fit this entire thing but its old song as it was leaked back in 2004 so TEN years ago.
Bury Me Deep Inside is pretty much darker but the same as its on the album, well almost, but the vibe and the sound is much better on SWD than its on the RR album (but maybe its because Ville´s voice is better on SWD than on RR), more deeper and darker
and finally - Gone With The Sin - i definitely love this song, but i prefer the album version or to be most honest i prefer O.D. version. This SWD is pretty much different but i dont like the melody on guitar that is in the intro with the weird keyboard sound that is very high LOL, and i really hate the tempo of the drums, its too fast and its not correct, the correct is on album version. But i love the "you´re losing your life" part in the middle of the song. its cool!!! and its definitely better than the solo in the album version ... that part is literally "sending shivers right down my spine" !! :-)
but Resurrection is for me the number one. I just cant help it but this song is my most favorite in the world as i mentioned like billion times LOL, no other song is better , even John Frusciante or Dee Dee Ramone, Paul McCartney or Jim Peterik or whoever you name never made more beautiful song than Resurrection. It has everything! Its not short, its not too long, its not boring, it has amazing lyrics! The melody is simply killer and its the most splendid piece of art that Ville has ever written. The Slippery When Dead version is absolutely stunning - very heavy guitars in the version and creepy high keyboards in the backround - totally fits it! The pre chorus after "fallen from grace" is very "Greatest lovesongs vol 666"-like (if you know what i mean). And what i love the most on it, is that while in the album version Linde plays just Em-C-G-D on guitar like lettingthe chord goes on one hit , the chorus progression is not the main in the chorus but the keyboards are with the melody the main thing in the chorus on album version. BUT in this version there is Linde playing the same melody on Guitar as its on keyboards and with that palm muted sound its just absolutely heavy and Ville´s younger deeper voice is absolutely fitting all of it and thats why i think this Resurrection SWD version is the best HIM piece of art. Absolutely perfect - when compared to the album version they changed it a lot and in the details and not to the better. This is far darker and heavier, very good vibe + the interplay in the middle with the drums tempo and without the chorus melody , but with verse keyboard melody with that high creepy sound of the keyboard effect and the heavy guitars in it without repetitive singing "this resurrection" as its in the album version - you cant just fight it, its the best what they could do in this part of the song! i dont know why they changed Resurrection to the album version and didnt use this pefrect flawless version of it.
The same things i have to say on Right Here In My Arms - the solo is like hundred times better than on the album, very nice two guitars soloing together simultaneously but sounds amazing, as in Razorblade Kiss (or Romance if you want) ... :-)
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two things:
my fav. is Poison Girl... in RR its not at all.... but this bridge in the song..... man they must used in the RR.
best song in my opinion is Ressurection. darker and epic beginning... actually the song until the first chorus is best thing they ever done! I wish the guitars before the chorus were longer and repeated and then the chorus...
i love Join Me and Razorblade as well..
cant wait to see what Ville will say about the leak...
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Too happy to be alive-I've never been a huge fan of the song but it's okay and nice to see where it fits in with HIM rather than just a random song.
Gone with the sin- I really like the album version but this one does have a more cinematic feel, and sounds deepshadowsish like a cross between IJAS and love you like I do. A stand out for me.
Bury me deep- I love the RR version and this is equally as good I do like the bit starting "And still you look like you don't believe" another great song.
Razorblade Romance- This one i've wanted to hear for so long and it's not a let down, I actually think it's better than the final version.
Poison Girl-Well it's amazing the verses are great and I love the bits at the end of them "cos you're all I want and you're all that I have" and "and soon we'll turn blue" and so on. Bit of a shock first time I heard it I thought someone had misnamed the tracks and it was join me.
Join Me- I think this is one of the songs better than the RR versions along with poison girl and Razorblade Romance
Ressurection-I think the RR version is one of their best songs but oh my god why change it from this?
She'll Be/RHIMA-Just a quick point ive seen an info sheet from very early in this songs life with this listed as "She'll be" rather than RHIMA. I quite like it another that the album version is so strong that this seems it couldn't compete.
Overall I couldnt believe I was finally hearing it after all this time it's reminded me of how much I love Razorblade Romance. If I could hear the full pick up lines from hell demo I think my life would me complete ;D
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Wow ive been looking forever for this and just happened to see someones complaint on facebook saying it was leaked and disrespectful sknce it was villes birthday and had tp come on here to see if it was true guess it was
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The drums sound really great and it's cool hearing Gas's first works with the band.
This is all drum machine. Before Gas joined, but recorded after Patka left. He most likely wrote the parts, with ville orogramming the drum tracks later. Ville is a drummer as well so it is no surprise to me that he could fill in the writting of the albums drums, and Gas would later perform the material once joining.
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again that drum machine rumor ...., its the same bullshit as that Sleepwalking Past Hope is on Witches and other night fears or that Its All Tears from UK edition of And Love Said No is re-recorded in 2004 .... all these are fictions bullshits based on fans rumors and ignorance, far away from the reality
when Patka said that its him on the recording(SWD), then who would you rather believe? the former member who did it or fan rumors? jesus
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Did Patka say this? I was unaware, however, I record live drums and I have mixed both Sample drums and Acoustic drums. To me sounds like Samples, or at least electronic drums used. It doesn't sound like a live kit. Especially the ride cymbal and snare tone.. But this could be a studio electric kit. Who knows.. but from personal experience and mixing experience, it truley sounds like a sample mix.
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It would be cool to know whether or not he tracked them. Take 'Too Happy' for example. The drum intro, you have an isolated drum track for a few bars, and it sounds washy and stale. The snare tone has an akmost digital wash to it, which to me, suggests a pre-set sound clip, with some tuning and EQing. The only reason I argue this is because I did an album with my first band using Edrums for our first album, and demoing. Its quicker and easier for pre production but IMO (as a percussionist) misses the feel, and natural sound. I'm not a fan of it and therefore, hearing Edrums sticks out like a sore thumb to my ears.
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So, why isn't this the bonus disc on Lashes to Ashes? And it's possibly Ville playing drums, if it's not a drum machine.
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So, why isn't this the bonus disc on Lashes to Ashes? And it's possibly Ville playing drums, if it's not a drum machine.
Agreed!
And yes that was my personal thoughts. There are no fills, all the hits are EQ'd exactly identical, and Patka plays his ride as a secondary crash, so the bell-ride parts red flag this to me as a drum machine. OR perhaps Valo on an E-drums to simply track the demos. As a drummer/musician 15+ years, to my ear, it doea not sound like Patka on the skins. Sorry but it just doesn't.
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So, why isn't this the bonus disc on Lashes to Ashes? And it's possibly Ville playing drums, if it's not a drum machine.
Agreed!
And yes that was my personal thoughts. There are no fills, all the hits are EQ'd exactly identical, and Patka plays his ride as a secondary crash, so the bell-ride parts red flag this to me as a drum machine. OR perhaps Valo on an E-drums to simply track the demos. As a drummer/musician 15+ years, to my ear, it doea not sound like Patka on the skins. Sorry but it just doesn't.
The drums do sound better than they did on Too Happy to Be Alive, though. Maybe it's a mixture of drum machine, Ville, Patka and another drummer or drummers?
This demo is fucking awesome though! :)
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So, why isn't this the bonus disc on Lashes to Ashes? And it's possibly Ville playing drums, if it's not a drum machine.
Agreed!
And yes that was my personal thoughts. There are no fills, all the hits are EQ'd exactly identical, and Patka plays his ride as a secondary crash, so the bell-ride parts red flag this to me as a drum machine. OR perhaps Valo on an E-drums to simply track the demos. As a drummer/musician 15+ years, to my ear, it doea not sound like Patka on the skins. Sorry but it just doesn't.
The drums do sound better than they did on Too Happy to Be Alive, though. Maybe it's a mixture of drum machine, Ville, Patka and another drummer or drummers?
This demo is fucking awesome though! :)
616 do you want to deal with this.....again?
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So, why isn't this the bonus disc on Lashes to Ashes? And it's possibly Ville playing drums, if it's not a drum machine.
Agreed!
And yes that was my personal thoughts. There are no fills, all the hits are EQ'd exactly identical, and Patka plays his ride as a secondary crash, so the bell-ride parts red flag this to me as a drum machine. OR perhaps Valo on an E-drums to simply track the demos. As a drummer/musician 15+ years, to my ear, it doea not sound like Patka on the skins. Sorry but it just doesn't.
The drums do sound better than they did on Too Happy to Be Alive, though. Maybe it's a mixture of drum machine, Ville, Patka and another drummer or drummers?
This demo is fucking awesome though! :)
616 do you want to deal with this.....again?
Huh? Never mind, so it was Patka.
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I would like to know if it was infact rather Patka than Electric Sample Drums. It just sounds like electronic drums to me, and it could simply be in the mix, but to me it sounds machine-esque. Did Patka record electric or acoustic? I surely know it wasn't Gas, and i doubt Ville would track drums himself. The feel of the drums (imo) is close, but not quite that of GLS666 songs. I realize that there are tons of variables to consider during the tracking phases.
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Did anybody ever determine the origin/reason why Too Happy To Be Alive leaked ages ago if it was part of this collection?
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I'm not entirely sure but, from what I remember the mods on BMMB had it. Where they got it from I have no idea.
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I can't believe I'm just now reading (and downloading) this. I feel like a bad fan. I know what I'm listening to on the way to work in the morning
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I can't believe I'm just now reading (and downloading) this. I feel like a bad fan. I know what I'm listening to on the way to work in the morning
What do you think of the demos?
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Wow, just seen these. Guess I'll check them out before tonight's gig!
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This was the greatest and most unexpected leak ever. I literally wept. I remember reading Synnin Viemaa back in '04 and being so excited by the idea of these. I searched so hard for this stuff on Limewire, etc. Now, finally, 10 years later, I have them.
Along the same lines, if anyone has the ever elusive Screamworks demos I'd love to get ahold of them. I know it's not the most loved HIM album among some of you guys, but c'mon! It's fucking HIM! They've never done wrong in my book.
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I don't think anybody here has the complete SW demo collection, unfortunately.
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I have decided not to go for it. I thought about it a while ago but then decided to just leave it be.
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Did anybody ever determine the origin/reason why Too Happy To Be Alive leaked ages ago if it was part of this collection?
I can't remember which forum it came from (maybe the HIM section of Bam's forum) but I recall somebody in another band that was friends with or touring with HIM had it given to them and somehow it wound up in one of the member's hands. Not sure if it was intentional or a laptop got stolen. There was much drama about it when it first appeared. Only 30 or so seconds was initially uploaded and caused an uproar of begging. The guy who had it decided the beggars didn't deserve it and wouldn't share. He later posted the full song but intentionally messed up the quality. Finally one of the few people who were sent the file ended up passing it to the rest of us.
I recall this because it was my first run in with annoying hoarders who would rather keep everything for themselves to enjoy some ridiculous sense of superiority instead of sharing with the community. So for my first post here I'd like to give a big fuck you to the people who had this for years and kept it to themselves. ;D
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Did anybody ever determine the origin/reason why Too Happy To Be Alive leaked ages ago if it was part of this collection?
I can't remember which forum it came from (maybe the HIM section of Bam's forum) but I recall somebody in another band that was friends with or touring with HIM had it given to them and somehow it wound up in one of the member's hands. Not sure if it was intentional or a laptop got stolen. There was much drama about it when it first appeared. Only 30 or so seconds was initially uploaded and caused an uproar of begging. The guy who had it decided the beggars didn't deserve it and wouldn't share. He later posted the full song but intentionally messed up the quality. Finally one of the few people who were sent the file ended up passing it to the rest of us.
I recall this because it was my first run in with annoying hoarders who would rather keep everything for themselves to enjoy some ridiculous sense of superiority instead of sharing with the community. So for my first post here I'd like to give a big fuck you to the people who had this for years and kept it to themselves. ;D
Fuck me? Fuck You! You're just jealous =P
You have it now, so be happy lol.
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Jealous? Goodness, that would imply that I too want to be a hoarding ass with a superiority complex who has no love for the community. No thank you. If I had stuff everyone else didn't have access to, I would gladly share it. I'll never be jealous of that mentality.
But enough of that. Why wasn't this included in the with the remastered set?! I'll never understand why bands don't take the opportunity to monetize stuff like this that fans crave so much.
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Ville doesn't like these demos, so he doesn't want them released. This is why the few who did have them didn't share them with everyone. It's not about being elitist, it was about helping protect the band's wishes.
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Pfffff, someone has to be an elitist. So thats why i became one, no regrets at all.
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Ville doesn't like these demos, so he doesn't want them released. This is why the few who did have them didn't share them with everyone. It's not about being elitist, it was about helping protect the band's wishes.
If that is really what it was about, why not delete them? Isn't it hypocritical to say it's not okay for all of the fans to listen because Ville doesn't want them to... But I'll still keep them and listen to them? Unless they were given to you from Ville directly with permission to keep/listen, of course.
I mean no harm to Ville by gladly taking these, I'm merely disagreeing with him. I think they sound amazing.
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I dont care if Valo doesnt want us to hear this demo...:p
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I think Ville's stance on his demos is probably the reason why we don't get a lot of those from the remasters. While we think they're awesome, he probably feels that they're inferior to the finished product. I have no real idea, but it's just a thought.
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I think Ville's stance on his demos is probably the reason why we don't get a lot of those from the remasters. While we think they're awesome, he probably feels that they're inferior to the finished product. I have no real idea, but it's just a thought.
i think his vocals are inferior to 2011, and everything before that, but doesn't stop him from butchering his songs throughout the year. :D
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I think Ville's stance on his demos is probably the reason why we don't get a lot of those from the remasters. While we think they're awesome, he probably feels that they're inferior to the finished product. I have no real idea, but it's just a thought.
i think his vocals are inferior to 2011, and everything before that, but doesn't stop him from butchering his songs throughout the year. :D
I have to disagree. The last two tours I saw them on we're his best vocal performances ever. I would say the biggest change has been that he doesn't play to the ladies as much these days. He used to shed the shirt and lean in on the girls, but lately it's been all about the music. Maybe you just miss all the moaning and microphone sucking? ;)
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Jealous? Goodness, that would imply that I too want to be a hoarding ass with a superiority complex who has no love for the community. No thank you. If I had stuff everyone else didn't have access to, I would gladly share it. I'll never be jealous of that mentality.
But enough of that. Why wasn't this included in the with the remastered set?! I'll never understand why bands don't take the opportunity to monetize stuff like this that fans crave so much.
Really? It has nothing to do with being a hoarder or having a superiority complex. It is like Daedalus said, it's out of respect for the band... NOT necessarily because Ville doesn't like them, but because they were demos of one of their greatest albums and it is not our responsibility to release them. But because someone leaked it they have completely ruined the chances of it being released officially for EVERYONE. So now everyone has something that they'll never be able to experience fully... all for the sake of gaining temporary satisfaction. So good job! You got a little something, but thank god it was rather poor quality... That still leaves us 'hoarders' with the ability to truly experience what some have just ruined for you and everyone else.
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Haha what? So assuming there was ever a chance it was going to see an official release, you know without a doubt that will never happen due to a leak? And somehow that all ties in with keeping the files to yourself? Whatever you say, man. Why don't you leak the high quality files now since you're certain the band will never put them out and that was your only reason to hold on to them? ;)
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Haha what? So assuming there was ever a chance it was going to see an official release, you know without a doubt that will never happen due to a leak? And somehow that all ties in with keeping the files to yourself? Whatever you say, man. Why don't you leak the high quality files now since you're certain the band will never put them out and that was your only reason to hold on to them? ;)
The fact is that until the band throws in the towel there will always be a chance to get these things... IF, after all is said and done, those things don't get released then by all means they will be shared, but until then they will be kept safe and guarded out of respect of the band and those who graciously deemed the 'hoarders' worthy enough. And it's not that we don't share at all... We do share with those close to us whom we trust. Once that trust is tainted, which is what the leak did, then you can be sure to rule out any future stuff us 'hoarders' could get our hands on which would eventually end up in everyone else's hands later on... We can't share what we don't get!
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We'll just have to agree to disagree, as they say. Try not to wait ten more years to release what you have. Chances are that whatever they wanted out came with the new box set and that's all we're gonna get legitimately.
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Wolfkiller we all understand that you want as much as possible, we are all the same greedy, but you dont have the main point of the whole thing and its that you cant simply just decide if you will leak the band´s unreleased material !!!!!!!! you will only harm your favorite band, whats the point of that? you wanna get attention? likes on facebook and youtube? i mean fuck this attitude , we are here to support are beloved band and were not here to violate their rights , only the band has the right to release and to decide wether they will release something or not, and if they dont want to you just can talk about how you want to do it for the community and blah blah blah, the band is the holy grail, without the band there would be no community
if you think that leaking their unreleased materials is something obligatory that every fan must do if has a chance, than you have to think about if you like the band or if your greediness just overwhelmed you
peace
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You missed my point, friend. I'm saying it is hypocritical to declare you care so much about the band and their wishes to not have these demos out there while hanging on to the tracks yourself. If it's really all about respecting the band, you would have deleted your copies of the demos as well. The only exception would be if the band directly gave the tracks to you and for you only. In which case I'd say the band is being hypocritical then haha.
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You missed my point, friend. I'm saying it is hypocritical to declare you care so much about the band and their wishes to not have these demos out there while hanging on to the tracks yourself. If it's really all about respecting the band, you would have deleted your copies of the demos as well. The only exception would be if the band directly gave the tracks to you and for you only. In which case I'd say the band is being hypocritical then haha.
I understand what you're saying, but this is ridiculous logic. Believing something should not be widely distributed is not the same as believing that no one in the world should have it.
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You missed my point, friend. I'm saying it is hypocritical to declare you care so much about the band and their wishes to not have these demos out there while hanging on to the tracks yourself. If it's really all about respecting the band, you would have deleted your copies of the demos as well. The only exception would be if the band directly gave the tracks to you and for you only. In which case I'd say the band is being hypocritical then haha.
There's nothing hypocritical about it... The music doesn't have to come from the band, it could be the producers or anyone else that worked on the music. In some sense the music is partly their own work too and sometimes, within means, they share their work with those they trust... Those that won't release it to the public. Those that get it may also second-handedly share it with those they trust as well, but often times it with the consent of the original person who shared. The work is never supposed to be leaked or be shared outside that inner-circle of people. It is not hypocritical to hold on to something you don't want leaked as long as there is no intention of leaking it yourself... Sharing it would be hypocritical.