The Sacrament
HIM => Discussion => Topic started by: RAZORBLADEKISSES on February 20, 2007, 03:01:50 AM
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I miss a time when HIM was not in Hot Topic and Emo kids adopted Valo as their heartbroken god. I don't even think they listen to the lyrics besides pain ahh heartbreak ahhh. Yes I am very happy they are successful. And I want them to keep going but I feel unfortunately for our society in the US, not many were mature enough to get the idea behind the music. And not just the image. Americans tend to care more about image than the bands intents for their work of art. But I guess that is the price for fame every great band pays here. Do you guys remeber when amazon and ebay were the main ways to get HIM imports. I remember paying around 32 dollars for DSBH and then 14 dollars on top of that for shipping. Ha the god old days.
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I know...
HIM was that band you listened to who allmost noby around you knew anything about. Now they are just everywhere. Guess that same thing is happening to the 69 Eyes...
Just following these simple rules
1. Go to the US
2. Make a cappy overproduced album
3. Get your videos playd on MTV (try getting a gig at TRL)
4. Make tons of stupid merch (pencils, clocks... ugly clothes?)
And woala! Now all stupid kids with no brains can walk around in hoodies wiht the bands logo and think they are so cool becose they saw the band on MTV...
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Yeah it is a sad epidemic. The dumb youth that is. Mindless zombies not all but most. I am only 20 and I feel like I don't belong with my peers.
The worst part is everytime I wear something HIM 99% of the girls I run into are like wow is that an emo band. Or look theres BAM Margeras band. WTF!!!!!! I would like to know who sh*t in these peoples heads. Our beloved band is being marred aahhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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I found out about HIM through Bam, and I didn't even like the music. I had downloaded everything they had available at the time (DS&BH had been out about a year, if that) to check them out, and aside from a few songs, I didn't like them. About a month later I realized I hadn't listened to anything else but HIM and loved pretty much every song.
I remember buying Razorblade Romance for $15 on eBay because it was the cheapest, and it turned out to be a sealed digipak. I'm just glad I don't have to spend $$ importing everything anymore, unless there's something I really want that's not available in the States.
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The worst part is everytime I wear something HIM 99% of the girls I run into are like wow is that an emo band. Or look theres BAM Margeras band. WTF!!!!!!
This is why my friend I do not wear ANY of my HIM shit anymore.
As soon as I moved away from pittsburgh to allentown( ABOUT AN HOUR from where bam lives) I feel like it became a problem when I wore HIM shirts and all that jazz. Know I just wear other band shirts and w/e but it makes me really sad that I can't wear my fav band shirts.
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Yeah damn Bamtards and emo kids ahhh!!! I do agree with Jay I enjoy not having to import everything anymore. That is probably the onlt upside. Oh and meetign the few cool HIM fans I have ran into in Philly. So vtioldlde when did you move from Pittsburgh to Allentown? I moved to Philly in January I prob seen you back at all the HIM shows in the burgh. Making fun of all the girls wearing pink RR shirts and blue jean mini skirts. For anyone who was there remember when Valo came out of the side door at the old rock jungle in station square with two hooters girls from next door. And there were actually people goin who's that. Then me Todd aka crying kid and I believe this kid Corey ran over to the bus cause were the only ones who didn't suck and got shit signed.
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i do agree that there are way to many fake him fans these days but to be honest if hot topic didnt seel the stuff iw ouldnt be able to get it...then id be sad but then on the other hand now ever tom dick and emo are out there wearing HIM stuff and not having a single clue to whats going on...that makes me sad too :'(
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Now you know what I've been going though. Ok, so I'm a newib to HIM. But I've always been into Enoupe bands and older classic rock. There are few newer bands I listen to. My Mom and Dad were both in rocks bands growing up and if weren't for them I'd most likely have NO taste in music. When I first heard HIM I fell in love. I mean I just listened to the songs over and over. And went mad on a HIM hunt. I now have (almost) all there stuff, and I'm very proud to say I'm a HIM fan.
But I will NEVER stop wearing my HIM shirts or throw away my HIM drawing book. If people say I'm emo or a wannabe or a Bam fan. Who cares? I know I'm not. I've been made fun of all my life for wearing classic rock band-tees. People saying: "Oh! there old!" so why should something as little as some dumb kids who I don't care about what they think of me anything keep me from showing my suport of my fave band?
Althou it dose bother me when I try to talk to someone who's a 'HIM' fan my age....they're mindlesss emos who only care about the image. I love HIM because the lyics speak to me and the music is amazingy. Not because they're played on mtv....but because there a kick ass band and I love them!
*salutes*
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I remember when I was working at a Christian Camp for the summer
and I drew a small crapphy heartagram on my bookmark because I was reading a film book.
So the boss comes up to me on my break
and says
"who is the satanist"
after that I went on a 3 hour debate on why the heartagram is not a "PURE" satanic symbol and more of a ying and yang thing.
I payed 60 bucks for both DSBH and Greatest lovesongs
it was raining that day and it was my birthday
and I felt so happy
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Awesome *looks at the Phantom Gate* You put that mmindless jerk in his place. haha.
Violet it seems you ar e one of the few people of my generation who seem to not be a complete airhead. *salutes to you*
On another positive note. . . I have a feeling with the new album alot of old fans will come out of the woodwork and the emo or poser whatever you call them will hopefully fade away. And move on to the next upcoming band. It is only a matter of time I feel before the trends change and HIM will be left to their true fans. I just hope they are not ever labeled as one of the trend bands. This is one of my fears. :o Uggghhhh!!!!! People and their mindless opinions of music they need to stay away from bands like HIM.
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Thank you, and I toally agree.
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You are welcome its always nice to find some smart youngins these days. This way I don't feel so alone. :D
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Yeah damn Bamtards and emo kids ahhh!!! I do agree with Jay I enjoy not having to import everything anymore. That is probably the onlt upside. Oh and meetign the few cool HIM fans I have ran into in Philly. So vtioldlde when did you move from Pittsburgh to Allentown? I moved to Philly in January I prob seen you back at all the HIM shows in the burgh. Making fun of all the girls wearing pink RR shirts and blue jean mini skirts. For anyone who was there remember when Valo came out of the side door at the old rock jungle in station square with two hooters girls from next door. And there were actually people goin who's that. Then me Todd aka crying kid and I believe this kid Corey ran over to the bus cause were the only ones who didn't suck and got shit signed.
yea making fun of bitches was fun and crying for valo was sadd but i dont take it back being that I got to go to hooters with them. didnt know u where there honestly its all a blur from being so overwhelmed. OH and you know the little metal thing u had 2 jump over to get to the bus i did a face plant jumping over that lol didnt feal it until after i met valo.My actions at that show gave me a good and bad repp. Ppl knew i was a real HIM fan but also I did like cry so yea lol.
gas actually walked threw the line, bc he was wearing that pens jersey no one thought it was him but i knew it was!
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WOw...thay sounds so cool. Who cares if you cried?
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Yeah Todd I was messing with ya but it was funny at first. You know I still love ya though. And ouch a faceplant into that thing musta sucked. Damn I didn't see that. Just for that alone I woulda cried. Either way it was fun besides we all laughed and had fun the second show screaming with Mc.Fuck Remeber you climbed in the tree to look in the tour bus that was great.:)
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remember when GLSV666 came out...
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i do.
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Being as I'm not american I don't really get a lot of the reasoning for complaint, but I guess to a certain extent HIM have a teeny "we do it cause we read it was cool in kerrang!" fanbase in The united kingdom and Europe, who have no idea what they're waffling on about most of the time and if you really sat back and took a blind bit of notice you'd want to hit with a brick..but...
Bam margera isn't the fault of the easily lead teenager, people associate bam & HIM because someone let him through the backdoor and allowed him to take the substantial piss, these kids just happen to be impressionable enough to take one as being part of the other, but technically this is not their fault. yes they're stupid but the fault lies more so with the band.
they allowed their image to be miscontrued to the extent it has become, in the US with the crappy hottopic merch that is just purely trash for the most part but they put their name to it, and everyone knows [not soley american people] that hottopic is a trend store, although it carries musical merchandise it also allows teenage kids who have no idea about music to buy trend items on impulse and become part of a scene, either because they saw one song on trl and liked it, or because the kid who sits next to them in geography has a shirt just like it. technically they marred themselves, intentionally or not.
And regardless of personal preference, I don't think anyone has the right to say who is a true fan or isn't, I've come across plenty of kids who don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to anything about the band, but I don't think that means they must be a scenester, I assume newbie. I think its slightly narrowminded to assume anything else, [but again the climate with american fans and european is different, its more of an epidemic in the US]
Bands like HIM couldn't afford to exist if they didn't make crappy merchandise and get their videos played on TRL, in an internet generation where bands become huge overnight they'll always struggle unless they budge and allow themselves to do ill concieved marketing, it'd be glorious if they could stay loyal to the hardcore masses and not make all this shit and have to associate with some tit who goes round slapping his dad for tv, but would they even bother to make music if that were the case forever, its lovely to be adored, but its even nicer to be adored and earn money too.
oh fuck why did I even write this shit. do I have nowt better to do when I'm half drunk at 5am. jeez.
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I love you Gemma you know how to put things straight ^_^ *MUAH*
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Bravo, Gemma! Well said!
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its gay cuz for the most part
hot topic doesnt even have anything to do with any bands they sell merch of...
they buy the designs and they get all the profit off of them
some things that are in there arent that way...
but most are
i hate corporate america...
and GAP.
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I coul really care less about what other people are doing. I mean, I'm worried about the music. Dose the heartagram being eveywhere in hotopic have anything to do with the music? No. It could make them go more radio pop like DL which it some-what did, but that was what the band did.
But you know, most bands get shitty after there third or fourth alumb. Than they realize, "Hey, we may be getting fans now. But once the fadt goes away we'll be alone. Cause all our real fans said, fuck this shit and left." So I think that the guys in HIM are smart enough to realize this too.
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did you see new album titles?
bleed well
passions killing floor
doubt that its gunna happen anytime soon
although i liked dark light...
but its just not the same.
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I too found out about HIM through Mr. Margera and I fell in love with the band instantly. I bought all the albums and immersed myself in them til I knew the words to each song forwards and backwards. I dont own any other HIM merch. but it does distress me when I see poser assholes going into hot topic and buying a bunch of merch. Next time you see someone doing that or wearing a him shirt or whatever strike up a conversation like I did and you'll see they generally know nothing of the bands music or songs.
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Tell me about it hen they feel stupid. Eventually you will see that same person weeks later denying they even knew who HIM was. Like whats a heartagram. I love making posers feel dumb ;D
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did you see new album titles?
bleed well
passions killing floor
doubt that its gunna happen anytime soon
although i liked dark light...
but its just not the same.
Yes, I did. I just like to believe in my faveoite band. I really dosen't matter what the songs are called. The first time a friend of mine talked about HIM I thought it was one of the dumset bands names ever, but here I am. Don't jugde a book by it's cover. And please don't think I'm attacking you.
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did you see new album titles?
bleed well
passions killing floor
doubt that its gunna happen anytime soon
although i liked dark light...
but its just not the same.
Yes, I did. I just like to believe in my faveoite band. I really dosen't matter what the songs are called. The first time a friend of mine talked about HIM I thought it was one of the dumset bands names ever, but here I am. Don't jugde a book by it's cover. And please don't think I'm attacking you.
it is true we shouldn't judge a book by its cover and who cares what a song title is if its a good song. I have faith in the band that they will put out a stellar cd regardless of titles
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You two are new but very very much in with the old skool HIM fans on the forum with those words. You guys know what its all about Violet and Monkeyboy32 :)
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Thank you. When I become a fan of a band I'm a fan for life.
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Hell ya I am the same way now granted some bands I like certain eras better but def. I am a fan for life especially HIM I love it all they can do no wrong +1 for you ;D
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i do agree that there are way to many fake him fans these days but to be honest if hot topic didnt seel the stuff iw ouldnt be able to get it...then id be sad but then on the other hand now ever tom dick and emo are out there wearing HIM stuff and not having a single clue to whats going on...that makes me sad too :'(
I was at Hot topic next to this kid who was buying a ton of HIM stuff, and had a HIM hoody and everything. One Last Time comes on the radio and im like "Yessss! HIMM" and the kid gives me this look like "what the hell are u talkin about". I wanted to slap him, stupid poser. >:(
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did you see new album titles?
bleed well
passions killing floor
doubt that its gunna happen anytime soon
although i liked dark light...
but its just not the same.
Yes, I did. I just like to believe in my faveoite band. I really dosen't matter what the songs are called. The first time a friend of mine talked about HIM I thought it was one of the dumset bands names ever, but here I am. Don't jugde a book by it's cover. And please don't think I'm attacking you.
nah im trying not to judge...but thats the way i am with just about everything...my first impressions of everything is always to not like it...im the same with people...unless they give me a reason to remember them or whatever...i dont really care lol...
it happens though...
<3 to your face.
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Cool. I'm always nice unless someone hurts me or someone I love.
A good friend of mine let this girl borrow her HIM shirt becuase her shirt was wet, and when she asked for ir back the girl said she'd lost it. I later saw her wearing it, and when I told my friend she yelled:"SHE DOESN'T EVEN LIKE HIM!" I guess she just wanted it for a "image" Poser bicth.....
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it happens...
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the first 2 albums are better then the last 3...sooooo ::)
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i do agree that there are way to many fake him fans these days but to be honest if hot topic didnt seel the stuff iw ouldnt be able to get it...then id be sad but then on the other hand now ever tom dick and emo are out there wearing HIM stuff and not having a single clue to whats going on...that makes me sad too :'(
I was at Hot topic next to this kid who was buying a ton of HIM stuff, and had a HIM hoody and everything. One Last Time comes on the radio and im like "Yessss! HIMM" and the kid gives me this look like "what the hell are u talkin about". I wanted to slap him, stupid poser. >:(
did you ever consider that the kid might not have been buying them for himself? you know theres no law that states you have to know what you're talking about to buy clothing, Do I have to be a hardened fan of the clash to wear a clash shirt? nope. its a shirt with an emblem on, I find the ethic that you must know everything about a band from day dot to purchase merchandise slightly pretentious.
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yeah thats true, the shows from RR era were a little more fun to watch
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what about really old where he used to sing and have a bottle of wine with him onstage
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Yeah. Or the DSaBH jacket. Oh man I miss it.
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and also back in 2000 ish his performance style is so different like
blowings kisses to the camera and running around and makes faces and
the examples of him falling over and breaking mic stand and stuff
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and also back in 2000 ish his performance style is so different like
blowings kisses to the camera and running around and makes faces and
the examples of him falling over and breaking mic stand and stuff
also cuz they were younger back then, i guess they kinda grew out of it.
which is understandable
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yeh defiantly alot of presence and performance but i guess they still got that jsut in a different way now
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But he really enjoys shows lately,he laughs a whole lot on stage!!!
But to be honest he did act a bit suisidal at one of my HIM show's i went to see :(
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Which one was that? If you don't mind my asking. :)
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you can even compare from HIMs first US tour they had a bit more energy in 04...now blah but like someone said, they grew up...
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I would have loved to have seen them back in 2000 - 2001
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Hey everyone i'm new here......I've been a fan since 98/99. I first heard HIM when i saw them live while on holiday in germany, made friends with the locals and they kindly took me along to a HIM gig.....I was so blown away that before i got back home to england i brought all the cd's available and been a fan ever since......
God i miss those day's of really dhitty small venues, Ville giving it hell on the stage. And it's probably me being selfish but i miss the days when no one really knew who they were. I mean i'm glad that they are successful but i wish it didn't come with all the baggage.
Can't wait for the new album, from what other people are telling me, it sounds like old HIM. I purposely haven't listened to any of the songs/samples. As i want to feel that excitement and supprise i felt when i listened to RR......
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I would have loved to have seen them back in 2000 - 2001
yeah, i'd kill to go to concerts like the Berlin one back in 2000
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i wish i went to go see them back in the RR days or the LM days.
but sadly i never did, but its ok now i can go to the Venus Doom concerts , if and when that happens
i bought tickets to a concert during the DL days, but they cancelled it, i was so pissed.
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I started listening back in mid 2001, but was too young to go to the shows, as i was only 11. Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, I eventually did get to go to my first shows which was in the astoria, and I am very glad to see that they are getting their groove back and getting some small shows in, even after there recent success.
They have done some kick ass shows, even after all the 'noobs' have come in, I have been to over 15 shows, in 2 continents, and think that even after all of their success and all the problems between fan bases, HIM STILL KICK SOME SERIOUS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
(hope you all agree)
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I'm an uber noob here as I only discovered them around when ALSN came out but to be honest at that point my crap knowledge of music combined with their relatively unknown status meant that I'd never even heard of them until my kindly CD shop owner gave me a listen. After that I slowly increased in how much I liked them. Any way even in the last 3 years or so I've noticed a serious difference. It used to just be a random guy or 2 wearing a hoodie but now it's all the skaters and emos too. The fan base got a lot younger with DL and although it's nice that people have actually heard of the band now, most consider it to be some random emo shit because of the annoying kids h=who listen to them. Add that to Warner's rather OTT number of schemes to sell as much HIM crap as possible and a load of UGLY merch which the band has had fuck all to do with designing or at least looking at the ideas stage of and it's easy to see why some things have gone downhill.
woah long rant.
Anyway in Venus Doom we trust. The music will hopefully shine through all this crap
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I miss it too but here's the thing...I've found out that it's too much work to worry about it. I spent so much time and so much frustration on hating how it is now and thinking Hot Topic kids didn't deserve the band the way I did and eventually people started pointing out not only that I was being an elitist, but that my negative emotion wasn't getting me anywhere. So anymore I feel like so what if there are stupid whiny emo kids from Hot Topic who like them? It's another record sale to the band and eventually those kids will disappear and write HIM off as something they were obsessed with back when pink was the new black and sucking dicks was the new Tennis. And all that will be left will be real HIM fans.
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Dude I hate the fact everyone on here bitchs about 'hot topic kids'.
Don't get me wrong,they piss me off immencely, but cause I hate them so much,
I try to avoid talking about them, and try to avoid listening to them.
Just think everyone else should do the same really. cause with every album HIM will realease now, more and more are gonna appear. Gladly make them look like fools, and point out how dumb and 'bamtarded' and 'hot topiced' they are.
(Don't think I'm a dick from this post, but having to put up with crappy bitching like this, and want to try put a stop to it).
Anyway half of the people bitching are Noobs anyway, they havent seen HIM yet but him have done plenty of tours in america, weird huh :-\
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My thought was that everyone sticks the bitching in one thread and keeps it out of the rest of the forum. Everyone can have their rant ,then get on with contributing something more meaningful to the forum.
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True
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i liked it better when no one know who they were. and if someone did, you knew they were a true fan. now you have all of these bam margera wannbes out there only liking HIM because they want to be just like bam. other support the heartagram and think bam made the fucking thing. i saw this kid wearing a heartagram sweatshirt and i was like "dude nice sweatshirt HIM fucking rocks?" and he gave me a strange look and said "HIM? what are you talking about? this is a bam margera sweatshirt."
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i liked it better when no one know who they were. and if someone did, you knew they were a true fan. now you have all of these bam margera wannbes out there only liking HIM because they want to be just like bam. other support the heartagram and think bam made the fucking thing. i saw this kid wearing a heartagram sweatshirt and i was like "dude nice sweatshirt HIM fucking rocks?" and he gave me a strange look and said "HIM? what are you talking about? this is a bam margera sweatshirt."
son of a bitch i hate poeple who do that
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i liked it better when no one know who they were. and if someone did, you knew they were a true fan. now you have all of these bam margera wannbes out there only liking HIM because they want to be just like bam. other support the heartagram and think bam made the fucking thing. i saw this kid wearing a heartagram sweatshirt and i was like "dude nice sweatshirt HIM fucking rocks?" and he gave me a strange look and said "HIM? what are you talking about? this is a bam margera sweatshirt."
But then you also have to think that if it wouldn't be for Bam, HIM probably wouldn't have been as successful and done as many tours in the US as they have.
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i never figured out why you guys come on here and tell us how you heard about HIM and all that jazz...
frankly. if you dont say anything retarded...we wont know your a no0b/oringal fan...nor do we really care.
i dunno...ive heard pretty much the same story 100000 times.
just...join up...and talk normal.
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i miss when daniel lioneye never had dreads and they looked like a hair metal band haha. i miss the gls666 days.
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i miss when daniel lioneye never had dreads and they looked like a hair metal band haha. i miss the gls666 days.
I miss GLS days too but I Like RR era the most ..... anyways, if they could come back in the time I would like HIM in that days..... But I still like HIM now and DSABH,LM days too, I enjoy the band now but I'll always like the old days.... old HIM, good HIM.... best HIM :D
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they should have re-recorded GLS,666 and made that the bonus disc to venus doom.
i think that would've kicked so much ass.
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they should have re-recorded GLS,666 and made that the bonus disc to venus doom.
i think that would've kicked so much ass.
Or not...
'Greatest Lovesongs Vol.666' is an absolute masterpiece... Don't get me wrong, I appreciate their recent work a lot, but there's no way they can come up with something that brilliant nowadays. That said, it's also important to notice the style they have been developed recently... It's nothing like the sound in their first album (I'm not making a qualitatively judgment, just pointing out a fact) and I don't think they are interested in doing it (even live, they change the old songs a quite a bit).
For me, a re-recording of their first album would be a sacrilege and not something that would honor their past... especially if it was used in some kind of commercial move like a bonus disc for their latest album...
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yea no re-recording albums. they re did your sweet 666+wicked game and that was good enough. HIM's one of those bands that never had cheap or bad quality recording. even the demos sounds waaaaaay good for a demo.
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Putting out GLS as a remastered version with a bonus disc with unreleased demos and live songs would be a nice anniversary thing down the road.
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That's far different from re-record the all album...
I think both (hypothetical) editions would serve to make money above all, but at least the "remastered" version (with a careful approach on the changes made on the sound in order to maintain the original "feeling" intact) would not wreck the masterpiece which 'Greateast Lovesongs Vol.666' is.
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i liek how they are constantly chnageing. i heard that deep shadows was saposta be a lot harder. so it woudl be nice to hear some of those demos.
i heard the rock versions of again and beautiful. and punk rock one of please dont let it go.
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I heard the Salt in Our Wounds Demo from my friend, and it sounded so much better than the album version. Salt in Our Wounds is probably one of my top 2 faves from DSaBH, so the demo made me love it even more.
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Even though some people might consider Deep Shadows HIM's worst album, I think it's the best phase for HIM in terms of live performances.
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Even though some people might consider Deep Shadows HIM's worst album, I think it's the best phase for HIM in terms of live performances.
It depends... The best shows by HIM (the Rock Am Ring 2001 gig is absolutely amazing...) are in that era, but some of the worst are at that time too (two shows in Portugal at that time are really poor, for example).
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Even though some people might consider Deep Shadows HIM's worst album, I think it's the best phase for HIM in terms of live performances.
It depends... The best shows by HIM (the Rock Am Ring 2001 gig is absolutely amazing...) are in that era, but some of the worst are at that time too (two shows in Portugal at that time are really poor, for example).
I see, but that I cannot say... All that I have seen are good. ;)
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I love all eras of the band although I think that their peak was around 1998-2002. I'd like to see a re-recorded GLS666 somewhere down the road, not sure when though.
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I think it would sound very different, therefore, not as good as the original release.
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well when they play wicked game and your sweet 666, they're just not quite as heavy as they used to be. dont get me wrong theyre still brilliant, but due to the evolution of their sound over the years, i think i new redone version would be cool to hear. seeing as to how they made Venus Doom a heavy album.
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Yeah!!
It's weird.
In 1998 when i bought my first album of him and started to listen to the group, i think i was the only person who knew the band. And nowadays everybody knows it. Thats good!! But as you said they don't listen to the lyrics the just i don't know how to explain.
I don't like such people
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well when they play wicked game and your sweet 666, they're just not quite as heavy as they used to be. dont get me wrong theyre still brilliant, but due to the evolution of their sound over the years, i think i new redone version would be cool to hear. seeing as to how they made Venus Doom a heavy album.
I think it'd be something nice to hear anyway.
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Yeah!!
It's weird.
In 1998 when i bought my first album of him and started to listen to the group, i think i was the only person who knew the band. And nowadays everybody knows it. Thats good!! But as you said they don't listen to the lyrics the just i don't know how to explain.
I don't like such people
tell me about it, I can't stand ppl who doesn't listen to the lyrics of songs...aka...the ppl who actually enjoy "shake your booty" crap...it's just nuts...and I also find it annoying when ppl ask me what music I like and I reply with finnish bands and they look at me like big ??? and I say HIM and they go: " HIm yeah, HIM are nice" and I sooo know that they only like Join Me cause that's the one song they've heard, apart from the DL album...agh...to me HIM is 80% lyrics and 20% the rest...the ones who never listened to their lyrics and who doesn't feel what the lyrics mean shouldn't be allowed to say they like HIM....but hey...that's just me thinking ;D
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Yeah!!
It's weird.
In 1998 when i bought my first album of him and started to listen to the group, i think i was the only person who knew the band. And nowadays everybody knows it. Thats good!! But as you said they don't listen to the lyrics the just i don't know how to explain.
I don't like such people
tell me about it, I can't stand ppl who doesn't listen to the lyrics of songs...aka...the ppl who actually enjoy "shake your booty" crap...it's just nuts...and I also find it annoying when ppl ask me what music I like and I reply with finnish bands and they look at me like big ??? and I say HIM and they go: " HIm yeah, HIM are nice" and I sooo know that they only like Join Me cause that's the one song they've heard, apart from the DL album...agh...to me HIM is 80% lyrics and 20% the rest...the ones who never listened to their lyrics and who doesn't feel what the lyrics mean shouldn't be allowed to say they like HIM....but hey...that's just me thinking ;D
I guess you used the best words to describe what I mean :)
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Ha, I totally remember ordering GLS, ALSN, and The Love Metal archives. Hmm.... The good ol' days. I miss getting all excited when I first heard HIM on the radio back home, but the excitement wore off when they became that seasons fashion trend.
And yes, people have called the heartagram a bamagram to me before. I used to hate Bam with every fiber of my being. Then I realized he's a fan just like me, Valo shared the rights of the heartagram with him, and being a fan he's slapping the heartagram everywhere to get the word out about the band. I met him in an airport in Chicago and asked him about it, and he said "yeah, it's for a great band from Finland called..." and I finished his sentence. lol. He's telling people about the band, and I respect that. Hell I do the same thing with the street team, I'm just not a celebrity, lol.
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yah i got RR for 50ish and i had to take the serial number into my cd store cos it waent on a catalog yet, but we still dont really have that prob in NZ or in my town there still kinda new hear and even now nto many people really dig them compared with the amount of people overseas even auzzie has so many more fans than nz
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And yes, people have called the heartagram a bamagram to me before. I used to hate Bam with every fiber of my being. Then I realized he's a fan just like me, Valo shared the rights of the heartagram with him, and being a fan he's slapping the heartagram everywhere to get the word out about the band. I met him in an airport in Chicago and asked him about it, and he said "yeah, it's for a great band from Finland called..." and I finished his sentence. lol. He's telling people about the band, and I respect that. Hell I do the same thing with the street team, I'm just not a celebrity, lol.
Well I've never heard it called a Bamagram, ha! I'd find that amusing but most people where I live don't even know of the Heartagram...
But I agree with you completely. I do not understand why people hate Bam for helping make HIM known. A lot of people are fans of HIM through Bam (me being one) and that doesn't make us any less of a fan. Bam is just a fan, too. How can someone hate him just for that!!
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bam margera definitely ruined HIM. he carried a heavy influence on the album dark light and that album caused the band to turn their back on their roots. thank god venus doom kind of resurrected their music from back in 1998 and earlier. but it was cool before when HIM could still be considered underground because either people loved them or had never heard of them. then when bam came along, HIM's fanbase increased a lot with a bunch of bam margera wannabes. i've seen a lot of my friends wear heartagram t-shirts and i'd go up to them and compliment them on their music taste and they would claim that bam invented it. don't get me wrong bam is awesome in jackass and viva la bam, but he nearly ruined a perfectly good band
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Don't kill me for this: maybe HIM wouldn't have made it into other countries without Bam?s constant advertising of them. I know that here in Australia, we probably never would have got HIM CDs if Bam hadn't started advertising them. So their success was sort of amplified (at least here in Australia).
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Two things I would like to refer:
- First, in the Viva Overdrive interview, from 1998, Ville states that he does not want HIM to bem an underground band. The explanation for this is made in a humoristic sense, but the main point is made quite seriously and shows clearly that since the beginning HIM did not wanted to be a cult underground band with a reserved attitude towards the music industry. Of course, this does not mean they needed to make albums just for money, leaving their music quality behind (this is not an appreciative sentence... just talking abstractly).
- Second, HIM never needed Bam to be a quite important Rock band in Europe... HIM's European success is quite prior to any involvement by Bam with the band... I feel that it's important to clarify that the fans HIM won with Bam were mostly outside Europe because the big popularity "explosion" of the band in Europe was with 'Razorblade Romance' and Bam's image was not associated with the band at that time.
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Second, HIM never needed Bam to be a quite important Rock band in Europe... HIM's European success is quite prior to any involvement by Bam with the band... I feel that it's important to clarify that the fans HIM won with Bam were mostly outside Europe because the big popularity "explosion" of the band in Europe was with 'Razorblade Romance' and Bam's image was not associated with the band at that time.
But that was Europe. I don't know if they would be known here in Australia at all. HIM just toured here and did a sold out show in the city (about an hour and a half from where I live) but their last tour here was hardly recognised.
Maybe they would have have worldwide success without Bam's help but just have achieved it a little later...I guess we'll never know. Either way, I'm just glad I know of them!
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I'd say they conquered Europe on their own, and Bam just helped them in America and the other countries. He made it easier for them to get famous in America
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Yeah Bam is a big fan like us
But he's better than us because besides buying HIM's stuffs, he also helps them with recording and making videos
And, I see Ville laugh too much when Bam around. Isn't that great?
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I don't see how you can measure the "quality" of a fan like that...
If I was a millionaire I would probably be in contact with the band too, and could have the opportunity to do things the "normal" fans cannot.
It's not a question of "better/worst"... it's a question of money and connections that go beyond music itself.