The Sacrament
HIM => Discussion => Topic started by: regularwill on December 31, 2015, 05:34:22 PM
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I've spent the last few days sorting out my collection and came up with a fun group project! We take each album tracklist (with a few obvious exemptions) and make a live album of THE BEST performance of each song. Anyone else down?
UPDATE
RULES
- Quality must be A to soundboard
- Copy this setlist below and write which live performance is your pick.
- All lists will be compared with the most listed live version to be the final pick.
- If another list has a version of a song you like better than your original pick, you may change your song to that version.
- Please do not discriminate someone for their choice, unless it's for a valid reason.
- Only one song shall be used from a concert.
00. Intro
01. Buried Alive By Love
02. Wings Of A Butterfly
03. Kiss Of Dawn
04. Pretending
05. Resurrection
06. Your Sweet 666
07. Vampire Heart
08. HeartKiller
09. Right Here In My Arms
10. It's All Tears
11. All Lips Go Blue
12. In Joy And Sorrow
13. The Sacrament
14. Razorblade Kiss
15. Sleepwalking Past Hope
16. Killing Loneliness
17. Wicked Game
18. Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart
19. Beyond Redemption
20. Scared To Death
21. Join Me (In Death)
--Encore--
22. Rebel Yell
23. Funeral Of Hearts
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For me, the best live performance of Pretending is from Madrid 2001!
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That is indeed a good choice! My favorite performance of Death Is In Love With Us would have to be Ermal Festival 2000. I'd say in order to make this work, we set some guidelines.
Post one song per reply.
If you agree on another reply, like that reply.
If you disagree, suggest your favorite.
Once there is enough to cover an album, we share the final tracklist with the community.
As long as this is fine with the moderators. I just figure since Helldone isn't making much of a buzz this year, we make our own!
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Gone With The Sin - Rock AM Ring 2001
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Gone With The Sin - Rock AM Ring 2001
Gone With The Sin is better from Turku 2002
but it will be difficult as we are limited to chose from certain collections but you need to consider that i can have like hundred of bootlegs more than someone else and i can pick a song that you had no idea that the bootleg even existed , for example right here i think Turku 2002 is better version than Rock AM Ring 2001 version but Gone With The Sin from Bratislava 2015 is awesome as well Ville sang it like an angel - but there is no soundboard of it , i am saying just because of my recordings.... do you know what i wanna say with that?
we should set some rules - because another think they performed a lot of songs when they were younger and it could be like 4 CDs of greatest lives....
And should we pick only soundboard or even amateur recordings? And the result will be mix of different sources, different quality and it could take a lot of time if i wanted to enhanced and remastered it to sound properly......
I would say that : lets pick like the GREATEST live songs - they have 8 albums, a lot of singles and a lot of gigs , as its a FAN project - lets make a poll with everything that will be picked and we will make it to ONE CD-R so only limited number of songs will make it on the final tracklist and it will be all made by poll so the songs that will have most votes - i will make the poll afterwards , lets just convince other members to participate on that , its a nice idea and when the poll will be there we should add links to listen to the chosen songs so people can listen before voting.
so far we have to the poll:
Pretending Madrid 2001 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUM_jlaqehs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUM_jlaqehs)
Gone With The Sin Rock Am Ring 2001 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgw7OB_zdg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgw7OB_zdg)
Death Is In Love With Us Ermal festival 2000 - http://we.tl/rxWLR4b6yE (http://we.tl/rxWLR4b6yE)
Gone With the Sin Turku 2002 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OQLSv0Hk4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OQLSv0Hk4)
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Gone With The Sin - Rock AM Ring 2001
A hard choice but I'm gonna have to go with this one. Rock AM Ring is one of my favorite shows despite Ville's lack of enthusiasm for DS&BH songs.
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Gone With The Sin - Rock AM Ring 2001
Gone With The Sin is better from Turku 2002
but it will be difficult as we are limited to chose from certain collections but you need to consider that i can have like hundred of bootlegs more than someone else and i can pick a song that you had no idea that the bootleg even existed , for example right here i think Turku 2002 is better version than Rock AM Ring 2001 version but Gone With The Sin from Bratislava 2015 is awesome as well Ville sang it like an angel - but there is no soundboard of it , i am saying just because of my recordings.... do you know what i wanna say with that?
we should set some rules - because another think they performed a lot of songs when they were younger and it could be like 4 CDs of greatest lives....
And should we pick only soundboard or even amateur recordings? And the result will be mix of different sources, different quality and it could take a lot of time if i wanted to enhanced and remastered it to sound properly......
I would say that : lets pick like the GREATEST live songs - they have 8 albums, a lot of singles and a lot of gigs , as its a FAN project - lets make a poll with everything that will be picked and we will make it to ONE CD-R so only limited number of songs will make it on the final tracklist and it will be all made by poll so the songs that will have most votes - i will make the poll afterwards , lets just convince other members to participate on that , its a nice idea and when the poll will be there we should add links to listen to the chosen songs so people can listen before voting.
so far we have to the poll:
Pretending Madrid 2001 - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUM_jlaqehs[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUM_jlaqehs[/url])
Gone With The Sin Rock Am Ring 2001 - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgw7OB_zdg[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBgw7OB_zdg[/url])
Death Is In Love With Us Ermal festival 2000 - [url]http://we.tl/rxWLR4b6yE[/url] ([url]http://we.tl/rxWLR4b6yE[/url])
Gone With the Sin Turku 2002 - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OQLSv0Hk4[/url] ([url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OQLSv0Hk4[/url])
I agree to an extent. The best part about this is for collectors to dig in the archives and for new fans to hear a few gems. I would suggest soundboard or recordings that can be enhanced to A quality so we have a compilation that sounds like it should be an official release. On another note, I think that with their extensive catalog, this should at least be a 2 CD. We could split it from GLS to LM and ALSN to TOT but this can be up for suggestions. I'm personally hoping that "rare" songs will make the cut so my next pick is going to be....
One Last Time Rock Im Park 2001.
https://youtu.be/w5bofzvTd7c (https://youtu.be/w5bofzvTd7c)
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For me, the best live performance of Pretending is from Madrid 2001!
I can go with that although I prefer this one from Tavastia 2003
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKQ9Qnlw3A
I want to throw Bury Me Deep from Rockpalast 2000 into the mix too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FXJP3AMH2Gs
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umh...very good question....for me is definietly The Funeral Of Hearts from Digital Versatile Doom....I have a lot a memories for this song and version from DVD is still best for me...so sentimental. The second position is Pretending from Turku 2002...wich is strange because I hate Pretending until last year
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Tavastia 2003 is useless , Ville was so drunk he was off key mostly
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Tavastia '03 is one of the best HIM gigs ever.
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@ Cory : i agree that it has a great sound, great setlist, but Ville was mostly off key, if you are not deaf you must hear it . i agree it was a great gig , awesome gig but not 100% from Ville that makes it hard for me to accept that putting something off key into "greatest" of our band....
i also like Scared to Death from BBC Sessions 2010
Beyond Redeption from Semifinal 2003 definitely- the raw sound of the guitar and bass is splendid!
Its All Tears from VIVA OVERDRIVE 1998
Funeral Of Hearts from Hammerstein 2005
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The Funeral Of Hearts - Taubertal Festival 2003 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGHBrmTmBU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkGHBrmTmBU)
That entire gig is great, another one of my personal favorites. Really any of the songs from it could make sense on a compilation like this.
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yeah Taubertal 2003 is one of the greatest, Ville drunk and high on cocaine but awesome, RHIMA from Taubertal is a must on that Greatest list
its a shame that we dont have a full Taubertal 2003 bootleg :(
also Turku 2002 is one of the greatest gigs ever
this compilation could be the mix of few gigs really :D
Your Sweet 666 from Jyrki 2001 is awesome version
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If we can't create each album live, we could create one setlist with 20~23 songs.
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If we can't create each album live, we could create one setlist with 20~23 songs.
yeah its gonna be so difficult to complete this , i mean its a great idea, but they performed some songs 1 time, some songs few times, some never, some every gig and its gonna be so ridiculous to fight over what to put on it, because one will wanna give the best that means something to him and one will wanna add some other and both will be great .....
i have so many songs from so many different bootlegs on my mind right now, it would be like 10 CD box to put them all on it....
if we wanted to make the greatest of each album we would have been in trouble as they never did a lot of songs and for example they did You Are The One few times but we have only lousy source so it wont make it on the list
it could be like song : all versions that can be picked and one separate poll for the song, but it would be hundred polls .... :D
Or everyone could make their own 20 greatest live and we would compare and if there will be any matching - these would be picked and the rest could go on to the poll ....
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Strange world will be a struggle from Helldone 2012 just picking the least shit one
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For me, the best live performance of Pretending is from Madrid 2001!
I can go with that although I prefer this one from Tavastia 2003
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AVKQ9Qnlw3A
I want to throw Bury Me Deep from Rockpalast 2000 into the mix too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FXJP3AMH2Gs
As much as i love the Dope Danny intro, Ville is very off in this performance
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As the baby fan that I am, I'm not exactly in a position to suggest something for this compilation but I love the idea!
I'd say, let's sacrifice the rarer played songs if there aren't any good bootlegs available instead of including shitty sources.
I'm excited and I hope this works out, it would be such a great thing to have!
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As the baby fan that I am, I'm not exactly in a position to suggest something for this compilation but I love the idea!
I'd say, let's sacrifice the rarer played songs if there aren't any good bootlegs available instead of including shitty sources.
I'm excited and I hope this works out, it would be such a great thing to have!
All fans should participate in our fun event! As a new fan you may end up bringing in something the older ones would overlook.
Yeah, if it's not a quality recording, it shouldn't be listed.
@616 can we share this to Facebook to get more people on this? I'm sure there's people in the street teams and collector pages that would love to participate.
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My suggestions of the songs that I remember:
- Lose You Tonight (2003/04 versions... I can't remember the best soundboard option... probably Taubernal or Tavastia 2003).
- Our Diabolikal Rapture (Any 1998 or 2000 version)
- The Beginning Of The End (Any version... I can remember Kelo 97, Ilosaarirock 98 or Provinssirock 99)
- The Path (Hamburg 03)
- Love's Requiem (Webster Hall 2014)
- This Fortress Of Tears (Taubernal 2003)
- Rebel Yell (Lumnezia 2008... or any old version like Kelo Club 97, Provinssirock 99, etc)
- Sleepwalking Past Hope (Orpheum theater 2007)
- Hand of Doom (Turku 2002)
- Right Here In My Arms (Ruisrock 2001)
- In Joy And Sorrow (Emsdetten 2001)
- Death is in love with us (New Pop Fest or Provinssirock 2000)
- Larger than Life + Don't Shake Me Lucifer (Gurten Festival 2000)
- Poison Girl (Any from Deep Shadows era... Luxembourg 2001?)
- All For You + RHIMA (Paris 2000)
- Black Sabbath (Can't remember, there are a very good versions on their 2006/07 tours... Greece 2006, Lycabettus 2007, etc... but my favourite is from The Docks, Canada 2006 with Frozen as intro)
- And of course... any version of "You Suffer" ;) ;D
Sorry if I forgot some song... and sorry if it's a very long list xD
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@volcom_sk83r : and how it should work? how do you imagine it? You will copy the link to this forum or you will write down the idea?
it would be nice if some new members came if they wanna participate on that
still i dont know what rules are on this project? we should make some rules and we need to take fact that most of the fans will know only a little of the live versions , HIM community is not so bootleg oriented last 10 years and most of the fans will know a little of Rockpalast, Rock am Rings and that kind of live stuff so....
i doubt someone will know the version of The Funeral of Hearts from Hammerstein Ballroom 2005 or Gone with the sin version from Bratislava 2015 gig (as i keep the bootleg uncirculated).....
i mean ok people will write down the most known video proshot versions of some live songs of the most known songs (join me from rockpalast, heartache from rock am ring, wicked game from digital versatile doom).... and we will have a list of dozens of the songs in the list , what next? what key to select the greatest songs?
I see a lot of trouble in here, for example there is One last time live from Rock Im Park 2001 listed, this is just an example - me personally i like this live version , its rare it was only performed few times in 2001 and its a rarity, that leads me to a question is it the greatest of HIM live when it was performed only few times? probably not if they retired it after few tries and we have not much to compare it to other versions as there is almost identical version from Rock am Ring 2001 and there is absolutely low terrible version from Switzerland 2001 amateur recording which is like just a noise
and as their setlist is mostly static, based on the same overplayed songs, we have not so many songs to pick from , do we?
another problem is that everyone loves different songs so its normal that i love Resurrection and i will try to push some live version of this song to the final tracklist, and others will do the same, does it mean that the version is the GREATEST of HIM live? Probably not again. So should it be picked from most played songs like Wicked Game, Join Me, Rhima, BABL, ROTWOAB, PG, KISS of Dawn, Soul on Fire, YOur Sweet 666, Funeral ,WLAdE only? ....... Or they did some song once so tadaa it is automatically the best version of it live as there are no other versions ..... and we chose some rarely played song and other fans can say that its hardly the greatest of HIM live when it was performed only few times 18 years ago.....
next problem could be that some fan can love some version because Ville was super hot shirtless on the video and that can be an avalanche on some fans, they will convince themselves that yeah that is the greatest live version because Ville was shirtless and so super hot, no matter how the version actually is and that song can get the most votes as lets face the facts that HIM fans are mostly girls..... and what then if there sill be some random bullshit pick with most votes only because of Shirtless Ville on the video... ridiculous
another thing is that i could have bigger bootleg collection than 99% of all HIM fans - fair? No. So i can pick whatever great version of the songs that are on te bootlegs that might be still uncirculated and unknown to the internet and all the fans - fair? No. That could be that the version would not end up on the final tracklist anyway as its not meant to the public. Fair? No, definitey not.
I would suggest that we have bootlegs from 1997 - 2010 and 2012 - 2015 - it is 18 live years - lets pick one song from every year (ok we have just one proper bootleg from 1997 and its amateur source....) and we dont have a 2015 soundboard (that might be another problem - fans keep their recordings for themselves so what we can pick 2015 from? I could provide something from my Bratislava 2015 recording from my camera source but will i do that ? why if there is not said that there is something greatest from this particular gig?....) ...
i am pretty much interested how this project will go...
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I have some ideas for the rules
- Only quality A or more (means probably close to only soundboard or really good recordings, we can be more sensitive for older stuff in this rule)
- 20~23 songs forming a realistic setlist (a setlist that Ville can look at and say "it's possible to play it", so no songs that were only played 1~2 times, and we would need to include wicked game, butterfly etc... those songs we "hate".) This way we will be fighting less for which songs to use or not.
One quick example of my personal choice:
00. Intro
01. Buried Alive By Love
02. Butterfly
03. Kiss Of Dawn
04. Pretending
05. Resurrection
06. Your Sweet 666
07. Vampire Heart
08. HeartKiller
09. It's All Tears
10. Hearts At War/Into The Night/Tears On Tape/All Lips Go Blue
11. In Joy And Sorrow
12. The Sacrament
13. Razorblade Kiss
14. Sleepwalking In Past Hope
15. Killing Loneliness
16. Wicked Game
17. Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart
18. Beyond Redemption
19. Under The Rose
20. Join Me (In Death)
--Encore--
21. Gone With The Sin
22. Right Here In My Arms
23. Funeral Of Hearts (Venus Doom Outro)
And if we follow like that we could do a "b-side" with only rare songs performance (like 5~6 different song).
But I don't know if it would be fun doing that way.
Edit: I like the idea of one song per year, but I don't know if we have material for it...
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@616 you bring up some good points. There are a lot of kinks to work out in this before we can really get this started. This should be a fun project but not a frustrating one that may cause arguements amongst us. I believe we can do this and make everyone happy with what we make.
For quality control, A quality songs only. This means soundboard or quality amateur recordings that have an even instument mix. While there may be a version that has an amazing drum solo, if the bass blows out the mix, its useless. Minimal audience noise for the amateur recordings as well. No one wants a recording of Bob coughing every five seconds or the friendly group talking throughout the recording.
For fairness, only songs that are available to the community or songs that whoever posts it are willing to share. If it is a song from a Youtube clip, post the link to the individual song or a link to the concert with the start time of the song you like. In the final mix one of us with the bootleg will put it in for better quality. If it is a song that is not easily available and you would like to share it, then do so. Otherwise, we can't including a song that only four people have heard.
It's true there are only three or four versions of One Last Time to pick from. There's also hundreds of versions of Wicked Game. We could do one with songs that have been a staple in a few tours. We follow the guidelines above and if this goes well, we do another with the rare cuts.
Since this is a community project, I'm sure if we have a large enough group, we can have valid points on why one recording is better than the other.
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I'm. So. Fucking. Angry. Right. Now. I'm actually trembling. (Imagine an angry chihuahua if you want to.)
You're complaining that people don't know many bootlegs and mention in the same sentence that you keep (some of) yours uncirculated. Can you spot a connection between those two things?
Yes, I know, there are still many bootlegs available, I just wanted to point out that you can't complain about people not knowing something you keep a secret. Keeping something uncirculated means that only few people know it. By definition.
What's your problem with people only knowing the most popular live versions? If you have a better solution, tell people and don't just sit in your corner complaining no one's mentioning them.
If there aren't any good versions of certain songs, they just won't make it. Nobody's keeping you from listening to them, you know? Since there are songs that were never performed live, there will be some missing anyway.
People do have opinions. Different ones, even, and let's go another step further and say people have individual opinions. It happens. We're trying to find a couple of performances of songs that are generally liked best, obviously we won't find the track list that is everyone's absolute favorite. And there's nothing wrong with that, this is what you have to deal with when working together with other people.
We're not calculating how the perfect bootleg collection CD has to look like. That's impossible. This doesn't have to be The Greatest of HIM to every single person inhabiting this planet.
(Now comes the point you're all waiting for, I know.)
If I read an implication that involves the general femalehood, Ville, and the inability of said femalehood to make rational decisions one more time, I'm not going to hold my impulse back and smash the closest object in my vicinity into the face of the next person I happen to be meeting.
Being female and being able to focus on sound quality rather than visuals are not mutually exclusive. (Shocking, I know.) That said, there are bootlegs without video, who would have thought, maybe we should focus on those? That would keep us females from frying our brains during the execution of this project.
(I'm kidding, just saying.)
If you don't want to share your recording, fine, don't. It's your personal right and all that. But stop mentioning it all the time then. And stop complaining that the community is shit and everyone's egoistic.
Now that I'm done venting I will continue to browse my gallery of hot shirtless guys. I hope I won't ruin my list of Ville's hottest performences with all the drool.
Seriously though, try to be a bit less pessimistic, this is depressing.
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Well then..... Project cancelled? If we can't work together without being "So. Fucking. Angry." I just thought this idea may liven up the community.
Some bootlegs are uncirculated publicly so people have something worth trading for a different bootleg.
My better solution was already said. We make a rare cut if the first one gies well.
Sure, this isn't going to be perfect. The Greatest LIVE Songs was just a play on words. The title is open for suggestions.
As of the general "femalehood" I'm sure this is meant toward the female fanbase of times passed which was filled with teens drooling over Ville. Nowadays it's not that way, as most of us have been a fan for a while.
If this can't be done in a civil matter then trash this idea. Just trying to get some activity in the last great HIM forum.
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why cancelling this? its a good idea
not my problem when someone cant read properly and take things pointed out in general personally.....
what o pointed out is that we cant have some issues and pointed out why and made examples. I did not complain once , just wanted to point out on possible situations that can occur. Not my problem that there are traders, there are collectors and there are regular fans that dont mind about bootlegs at all. Not my problem that there are always tapers on HIM shows and there are no bootlegs - it has been like this since 2004 , HIM community is just like this - its not my problem and i did not couse it because i pointed on it......
only wanted to solve possible future issues so we would have been prepared how to deal with some possible issues. Dont be silly, you want me to believe that everyone who will participate from Facebook will known lesser known bootlegs? HAHAHAHAHAHAH , no way, there are newbies that have no bootlegs, or few basic like Rockpalast, Rock am Ring so the choise will be limited by the year/album/setlist on the concert
we need to figure out and write down the rules and the key to make everyone satisfied with the final result, we dont wanna stick together some shit just because we were unprepared
so far we decided that we only pick from A quality = soundboard = http://www.saintscream.ru/index.php?newsid=286 (http://www.saintscream.ru/index.php?newsid=286)
we are limited to the greatest hits anyway as we dont have a lot of great soundboard sources of few songs so i agree with the setlist that Politex wrote down - would only change Sleepwalking past hope which we dont have much soundboard sources(Toronto 07, DigVersDoom, Hultsfred 08 ) for When Love ANd Death EMbrace which is Villes favorite HIM song
and of course we need to have this in mp3
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I'm sorry if I misunderstood all your 'probably not' and 'not fair' and 'ridiculous' and doubting as negative. If this is you being helpful, please carry on, I have recalibrated my reading of your posts accordingly.
Please do me a favor and tell me where I wrote "that everyone who will participate from Facebook will known lesser known bootlegs", though, as I can't find this in my post.
(Btw, those things you pointed out as 'not your problem' are things that you mentioned as possible conflicts in your earlier post. If there weren't 'regular fans', collectors, and traders and everyone was on the same page, you wouldn't have to complain about people not knowing rarer stuff.)
As of the general "femalehood" I'm sure this is meant toward the female fanbase of times passed which was filled with teens drooling over Ville. Nowadays it's not that way, as most of us have been a fan for a while.
Which is exactly what I've been trying to get across (there has been another occasion). I can't stand these generalizations that aren't even true.
Anyway, I'll shut up now and only post nice and cheery comments from now on for the sake of peacefulness.
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Kaysa - i still have no clue why the fuck have you started this war? What is the reason why are you fighting against me?
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Oookay back to the thing guys... I think this idea is ok. I like Dead Lover's Lane from the Orpheum 2007 gig and It's All Tears from Semifinal 2003 is also great. And Razorblade Kiss from Provinssirock 2000 is good.
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I like the setlist, since 90% was my idea :p, but I don't think we should use Rebell Yell since it's not a HIM song (and wasn't released in any form like Wicked Game/Solitary Man/Poison Heart/Strange World) and I still think the encore sounds better with 3 songs, but I don't think it matters that much. And IF everyone agrees that we should replace Rebell Yell, I would love to have Under the Rose back in the set since it's my favorite track >.<.
I think the order of the songs should change a bit depending on which version of each song we choose as well, for exemple, if Funeral Of Hearts end up being 2003 version, it should not close the album, since it didn't close the set at the time.
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One more rule that should be include is to choice only ONE song per show, so that we could not create half of the setlist with the same show,like using DVD 2007 show in 3~4 songs.
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I like the setlist, since 90% was my idea :p, but I don't think we should use Rebell Yell since it's not a HIM song (and wasn't released in any form like Wicked Game/Solitary Man/Poison Heart/Strange World) and I still think the encore sounds better with 3 songs, but I don't think it matters that much. And IF everyone agrees that we should replace Rebell Yell, I would love to have Under the Rose back in the set since it's my favorite track >.<.
I think the order of the songs should change a bit depending on which version of each song we choose as well, for exemple, if Funeral Of Hearts end up being 2003 version, it should not close the album, since it didn't close the set at the time.
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One more rule that should be include is to choice only ONE song per show, so that we could not create half of the setlist with the same show,like using DVD 2007 show in 3~4 songs.
You definitely put together a good list. Rebel Yell has been played since some of the first recordings we have and is still played to this day so i think it should stick.
The order will get rearranged on the final list to make it flow better so we may end up with three song encore.
I completely agree that it can only be one song from each show! That will be put in the rules now.
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Nice ideas
so as we dont have everything lossless sourced we need to have this project in mp3, there might be mp3 in 128kbps or 196kbps or 320kbps or 256kbps, 226kbps - what with that? Convert all to the same, so the higher will get downgrade as you can get 320 from 128.... or keep it as it is?
So if i understand well - we have a final setlist of the songs that we will look for the best versions of the live songs and then we will select the greatest live version of each song?
where i can find the final setlist? And i think we should have Heartache Every Moment in the final setlist as it was a single and a big hit and we have a lot of sources to chose from. Lets make it 2 CD = 160 minutes so lets add WLADE, Bleed Well and something from the first album - The Beginning of the end/For You/Our Diabolikal/Stigmata to have covered all eras and i agree on not putting Rebel Yell as its not HIM song and having two covers is not the best option as they have so many great songs , lets keep Wicked Game and swap Rebel Yell for something better
and also lets cut Intro... there is no point and its a waste of the space on CD i would say
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Nice ideas
so as we dont have everything lossless sourced we need to have this project in mp3, there might be mp3 in 128kbps or 196kbps or 320kbps or 256kbps, 226kbps - what with that? Convert all to the same, so the higher will get downgrade as you can get 320 from 128.... or keep it as it is?
So if i understand well - we have a final setlist of the songs that we will look for the best versions of the live songs and then we will select the greatest live version of each song?
where i can find the final setlist? And i think we should have Heartache Every Moment in the final setlist as it was a single and a big hit and we have a lot of sources to chose from. Lets make it 2 CD = 160 minutes so lets add WLADE, Bleed Well and something from the first album - The Beginning of the end/For You/Our Diabolikal/Stigmata to have covered all eras
I think it's best to keep the files in their respective bit rate.
Correct! The final setlist is located in the first post.
Tomorrow i will make an additional setlist WLADE, Bleed Well, For You, Under The Rose, and some others to span this set across the discography as well. I'll keep my eye on setlist.fm while I'm making it so i don't include a song with few performances.
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So if we have lossless we will put lossless and others mp3 , or everything in mp3 in its bitrate as we have it?
to the setlist i would say:
CD # 1 :
1. Passions Killing Floor
2. Buried Alive By Love
3. Heartache Every Moment
4. Rip Out The Wings of a Butterfly
5. Resurrection
6. Heartkiller
7. The Sacrament
8. Sleepwalking Past Hope
9. Poison Girl
10. Vampire Heart
11. Pretending
12. All Lips Go Blue
13. Its All Tears
14. For You
15. Join Me
CD # 2:
1. Sweet Pandemonium/Death Is In Love With Us/Under The Rose
2. The Kiss Of Dawn
3. Tears On Tape
4. Scared To Death
5. Killing Loneliness
6. Razorblade Kiss
7. In Joy And Sorrow
8. Wicked Game
9. Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart
10. Beyond Redeption
11. Bleed Well
12. The Funeral Of Hearts
13. Your Sweet 666
14. Right Here In My Arms
15. When Love And Death Embrace
16. Soul On Fire
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Should we put the Suspiria theme as the intro? :D
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I think we may need to cut off Sleepwalking because it does consume the space of 3 songs (in this case we would replace with Sweet Pandemonium/Death Is In Love With Us/Under The Rose instead of choosing only one) and I believe we have only 2 good source of this song which is the DVD and Bleed Well Single, I don't think both of them are that great and it does open up the setlist for 616's idea.
I don't think it's bad to use a small intro, it's not that long and it would be a nice touch.
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we have also Hultsfred 2008 sourceo of Sleepwalking and i believe some decent amateur recordings too, but i agree that this song takes a lot of space and its not a hit or single and i think it would be better if we added more songs like Death Is In Love which is not single or hit as well but its melodic and kinda catchy
in case we cut Sleepwalking lets add some intro, in case you wanna keep Sleepwalking i think intro could be Passions Killing Floor ;D
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An apology if I'm nosy but... "Greatest Live Songs" without Sleepwalking Past Hope, The Path, Love's Requiem, etc? I know that it's hard to choose what songs will be on the final tracklist but it will be only singles & casual songs? I think unfair to leave off the list many epic and great songs.
I support the idea of 616. Maybe we need to plan two or three CD's... probably 1 CD with rarities, covers, alternative, acoustic and early versions. I don't know... maybe something like these:
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 1
(The most popular songs and singles)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 2
(More known songs and some good b-sides)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 3
(Rarities, covers & more)
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Join Me has to be one from the 2000 dates. That ending is amazing!
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Greatest Live Songs: Volume 1
(The most popular songs and singles)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 2
(More known songs and some good b-sides)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 3
(Rarities, covers & more)
I totally support your idea, things would be more easy and diverse...
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Hi!! I'm a "newborn" fan and all I think is how they passed me all these years!! ;D
For me, these two "live" are... overwhelming:
"The Path" (Hamburg 03) and "Gone with the sin" (Turku 2002) ;)
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Greatest Live Songs: Volume 1
(The most popular songs and singles)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 2
(More known songs and some good b-sides)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 3
(Rarities, covers & more)
I totally support your idea, things would be more easy and diverse...
yeah but this is Greatest live compilation, that rare stuff could be another project with one last time, path, loves requiem, again, razorblade kiss early version, dsbh early versios, circle of fear, rare covers
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Greatest Live Songs: Volume 1
(The most popular songs and singles)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 2
(More known songs and some good b-sides)
Greatest Live Songs: Volume 3
(Rarities, covers & more)
I totally support your idea, things would be more easy and diverse...
yeah but this is Greatest live compilation, that rare stuff could be another project with one last time, path, loves requiem, again, razorblade kiss early version, dsbh early versios, circle of fear, rare covers
Yes, that would be the "Volume 3" like HIM-Valo said...
Some of my favourites are "Gone with the Sin" (Turku 2002), "For you" (Overdrive 1998), "It´s all Tears" (Overdrive 1998), "Buried Alive by Love" (Hartwall Arena 2005), "Funeral of Hearts" and "Killing Loneliness" (both from Digital Versatile Doom).
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volume 3 with once played songs considered as the GREATEST of LIVE? how?
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volume 3 with once played songs considered as the GREATEST of LIVE? how?
You didn´t understanded me, I said "Volume 3" only if the other "Volumes" would count. If the project is only with one cd or two of the greatest live, let´s do it :D
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Fantastic idea.
Why limiting the selection to a 80-90 minutes CD? It's better if we make a selection of outstanding soundboard or audience +A/A recordings without limiting the number of songs.
I'm trying to remember some of the ones I like:
- The Funeral of Hearts -I've Crossed Oceans of Wine to Find You Intro- (2003.08.08 - Taubertal Festival, Bavaria, Germany)
- Enjoy the Silence (1998.12.06 - TV-show Virus, Nosturi club, Helsinki)
- The Path (2003.03.08 - Grosse Freiheit 36, Hamburg, Germany)
- Join Me In Death (2000.07.14 - Gurtenfestival, Switzerland OR 2000.10.30 - The Garage, England)
- Poison Girl (2001.10.31 - Den Atelier, Luxembourg OR 2001.11.14 - La Riviera, Madrid, Spain)
- Gone With The Sin (2002.04.05 - Caribia, Turku, Finland)
- Our Diabolikal Rapture (2000.03.29 Arena, Berlin, Germany OR 2000.09.05 Rockpalast, Hamburg, Germany)
And please, never transcode the original files.
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Well... I'm probably misunderstanding the title of the collection. For me, "Greatest Live Songs" are the best performances of the band regardless if only played it once or hundreds times. On this case, we will have the "Greatest Live Versions (of the Overplayed HIM Songs)" featuring Wicked Game, Join Me, Wings of a Butterfly, etc. Ourselves criticize that reduced and overplayed setlist. Don't misunderstand me, I really like these songs and they need to be on the list but... For example: Wings of a Butterfly live is better than The Path live? I don't know if I'm the only one but for me there's a lot of difference, even if there's a hundreds versions of this song... I am not against the argument, I understand what you say, just that for me the title can be misleading and I feel that we can do more than that list. I hope not misunderstand what I mean.
Anyway, probably we'll need to plan this another project with their best and rare stuff in the near future. Once this project is completed I propose to start with this. If this project is called "Greatest Live Songs" and the first thing that I relate with this is the title of first HIM album, the second project how should be called? Razorlive Romance? Deep songs and live highlights? Live Metal? xD Just kidding.
Returning to the project, we can propose a setlist or we have a definitive one?
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We need to decide between the setlist idea or the 2 CD idea from 616 before going forward with all
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I support the idea from 616, we need at least 2 CD.
My suggestion: Try to remember the highlights on every tour. There are songs that sounded better on a specific era. For example: Lose You Tonight on Love Metal era, Gone with the Sin on Deep Shadows era, etc. Then we need to find the different sources to create the list. We can't repeat the show, so we need to find different sources of the same song. For example: Gone With The Sin (Turku, RAR, RIM).
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i understood this as Greatest songs -which is basically their greatest songs - basically Two Decades of Love Metal CD + some other to complete the 2 CD set and pick the greatest live versions that would be really mind blowing and others would be like "yeah thats our HIM live!"
Regarding the rare stuff - its tricky i dont think we will have an easy job on that because of the sources - yeah we have Hamburg 2003 with 3 rarities - Endless Dark, Circle of Fear, The Path - same album, same concert - not a problem for me though, but then we have Again Live from 2000 or You Are The One - amateur shitty recordings ..... The problem could be that you are listening to soundboard Path and then lousy amateur 2000 recording of Again will start. So what will we do? Skip the amateur recordings? Then our soundboard or Rarities would be very short setlist....
I like the idea of 3 CD with 2 of regular greatest hits flled with songs like Resurrection, Sleepwalking and For You and the third of rarities - i mean we have I Love You 1999 live sounboard , if i sat on some Frankfurt version of Razorblade Kiss early 1998 version i could enhance it a little, we have The Path from 3 gigs - Lycabettus, Hamburg and Astoria 2003 we can chose Astoria for example, then we could add Circle of Fear from Hamburg, The beginning of the end from Ilosaarirock 1998 is superb and its sounboard, Stigmata Diaboli we have soundboard at least one. We could add Play Dead or Behind The Crimson Door? Are these rarities? I would say yes. I will be The End of You or No Love could be considered as rarities as well. Lose You Tonight and Salt In Our Wounds we have them but are these all rare? Or we are talking about rare songs like early live versions and that stuff? Becase songs like Dead Lovers Lane, Behind the crimson door, play dead, no love, i will be the end of you , stigmata were all played during some tours so ?
Luis i love the title Deep Shadows and Live Highlights!!!!! thats awesome
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Well, nowadays every song that was not on their "sacred setlist" are considered "rare". The songs that are not singles or recurring probably will be on the list. I will describe it on "3 levels"...
Level 1: There are a lot of songs that died close of their era and they are forgotten: Dead Lover's Lane, Behind The Crimson Door, Play Dead, Disarm Me, Like St. Valentine, Love the Hardest Way, Beyond Redemption, Lose You Tonight, Stigmata Diaboli, No Love, I Will Be The End Of You, Our Diabolikal Rapture, The Beginning of the End, Please Don't Let It Go, Vampire Heart, etc. There are too songs that revived after his era but they returned to the grave like Sweet Pandemonium, For You, This Fortress of Tears, Resurrection, Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart, Death Is In Love With Us, etc. Nowadays, all these songs are considered "rare" because they no longer belong to this "HIM".
Level 2: The rarities that include some early/alternative versions of their recurring songs. Join Me is not rare but the "early version" could be on that list. Probably we can add some good acoustic versions (Example: For You Unplugged @ Jyrki 97) or alternative intros (Example: "Resurrection of Hearts").
Level 3: Finally, there are also "rarities" like One Last Time, Love's Requiem, Endless Dark, Sigillum Diaboli, The Path, Circle of Fear, And Love Said No... Songs that were not part on a whole tour but they're played at least once time or almost there are not a recordings of it. Also, some early versions that they never returned to play on his era (like Again, I Love You, You Are The One, In Love And Lonely).
We're not considering all the covers that they played... for me some of this songs are considered "rare" (on their respective levels) and part of their best performances, from Enjoy the Silence (98's) to Black Sabbath (07's). But probably it could be another project, HIM also is a great cover band.
Now... for this project, what "level" of rarities will be considered? Probably we will be limited to level 1 because rarities are not the objectives of the project.
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And Love Said No with Stigmata should be in the Level 1 as they were performed often - Stigmata in early days and in 2002 and And Love Said No 2004
but i agree that i consider all these songs as rare because they are no longer part of the setlist and honestly i doubt it will change, maybe with few songs i can imagine they could return in the future, i think there is a bigger chance that they will do Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart than Please Dont Let It Go .....
We should probably make a fan "DVD" with some performance after 2004 as the Love Metal Archives vol 2 are in my opinion most likely not on plan in the future.....
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Oh, yeah... I forget that ALSN was played on 2004 tour... also they played it on Helldone 2009.
About Stigmata Diaboli, yeah I put it on Level 1 because the 2002 era. About Sigillum Diaboli should be between level 1 and 3, I only remember a few recordings of it (on 1998 and 1999 bootlegs) but I don't know if it was recurring on their tour.
I had a project of "Love Metal Archives Vol. 2" in which I worked like 3 years ago but I never had the enoght time to finish it (and finally I lost all my advances). It would include only videoclips and some few lives. I don't know if I will have time soon to work on it again, but it will be nice to plan it after all these projects.
Returning to the actual project, which setlist will be the chosen one?
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I had a project of "Love Metal Archives Vol. 2" in which I worked like 3 years ago but I never had the enoght time to finish it (and finally I lost all my advances). It would include only videoclips and some few lives. I don't know if I will have time soon to work on it again, but it will be nice to plan it after all these projects.
Returning to the actual project, which setlist will be the chosen one?
we need to make 2 DVDs of Love Metal - one with Music videos and the second one with the Live clips
ask volcom and the others on that ,this project went quiet i think
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I've been away for work for a while and can't really do much on my phone. I should be able to get the ball rolling tomorrow. Sorry to keep everyone waiting.
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I particularly like Poison Girl from Download 2005. Ville was in fine shape that day. Gues he didn't want to disappoint Ozzy. Haha