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I mean, if he thinks changing the set list will mess with his vocals/music, he should stop performing, because his vocals suck now.
The only way I see them changing the set list is if Ville has an accident and his face is disfigured and he looks like a monster. Then the fangirls will stop coming to shows, and people won't go to see the same fucjing songs they always play...
I haven't been around long enough to feel comfortable judging the setlist, so I won't. However, I do find it weird that they didn't play any SW or TOT songs, since those are their most recent albums. I mean, they did play a couple of those in August, so why not keep a few, even if the set was shorter now in general?And I get why people are annoyed (though I don't mind the set list, personally) but I also see why they're sticking to singles. Both sides do have valid points. In the end, it doesn't even matter what they play, there will always be people complaining.QuoteI mean, if he thinks changing the set list will mess with his vocals/music, he should stop performing, because his vocals suck now. Was there any talk of this? (Ville thinking that, not his vocals sucking >.>) Because I don't exactly get your train of thought tbh. Why should a different set list change the quality of his vocals? Do you want to imply that the current set list contains the songs he sings least terribly, or...?QuoteThe only way I see them changing the set list is if Ville has an accident and his face is disfigured and he looks like a monster. Then the fangirls will stop coming to shows, and people won't go to see the same fucjing songs they always play...I do realize that this is some kind of pet peeve for me. But I really can't stand it when 'the fangirls' get blamed for everything. Seriously. Every now and then someone here on the forum does that and it's usually utter bullshit.Yes, there are people - admittedly, mostly girls - in the fandom and at gigs that, let's say, might overdo it a bit. They get very excited, maybe they scream a lot, maybe they have a celebrity crush on one of the guys (You probably won't believe me but it's not always only Ville, you know?) or whatever. You have every right to be annoyed with that, even though I think it would be much easier for everyone if you just accepted it and stopped complaining. There's no use in it whatsoever and it's really getting on my nerves.And now, more importantly and to focus a bit more on your statement: Stop randomly blaming 'fangirls', ffs.Since it's always about fangirls, what do you think how girls 'choose' what music or band they like? Browse bandpics and become a fan of the one with the best-looking guys? You can't possibly think that. Stop implying that 'fangirls' are superficial horny teenagers running after good-looking musicians without caring about the music in any way.I'm not sure how much you mean it or how much you're, well, 'joking', I don't only find your suggestion appalling but I also don't get how you could think this would solve your problem of a 'shitty set list'. It's really not that easy.Can you honestly imagine the band would notice there aren't any 'fangirls' at their gigs anymore and happily change it? Do you think the only thing holding them back is a bunch of girls that only like the most well-known songs? (What would be wrong with that anyway?) Do you assume everyone who is not a hardcore fan only goes to gigs to stare at Ville? (There's not enough stage lighting for that to be a valid option anyway.)I don't think your conclusion makes any sense. If Ville was looking 'like a monster', people would still want to hear the most well-known songs. What kind of logic are you following? 'Ugly people have only hardcore fans that want to hear not!singles live'? 'Songs written by monster!Ville only appeal to sensible people like us and thus won't attract any 'fangirls''?As you can see, I have a lot of strong feelings about this and I could probably go on for a few paragraphs more, but I'm sure you get the idea.I know I got really worked up about this and that I wouldn't even need to feel addressed by your comment. I'm sorry I picked that statement apart this bad, but this really hit a nerve and it's not the first occasion on which someone unjustifiedly blamed 'fangirls', so I really felt the need to write about it this lengthy. I'm shutting up now.tl;dr: Stop blaming your 'fangirls' ffs. They're neither how you picture them nor in any way related to your problem.
Ville is a perfectionist. He thinks if they changed the setlist he would fuck it up somehow.
You are right about the fangirls being all to blame for the setlist. Casual fans are to blame as well.
And there are in fact girls and even guys as well that were attracted to HIM because of Ville's looks first and foremost.
Take a look at the fans at the front of the stage. Mostly women. Although that is changing somewhat.
How many videos on YouTube of close ups of Ville?
When I say fangirls I don't mean women who are fans of the music and may also find Ville attractive.
I mean, look at all these definitions of Ville: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ville+valo He's being objectified for the most part.
then looked at Burton asking 'What happend?' as if it was his fault
The popularity of the band has dwindled because of the lack of new women fans nowadays. They either jumped ship, or they're still along. They were the main demographic. And Ville doesn't want to vary the setlist because the more amount of songs, the more opportunities to fuck them up. He has a core of songs that he's perfected for the most part. He has a hard time reaching the higher octaves than he used to. The majority of the songs now are the lower octaves. His lower range has grown, while the upper range has dropped.
Quote from: Kaysa on August 06, 2015, 08:49:32 AM then looked at Burton asking 'What happend?' as if it was his fault I was at that gig too, are you sure it's not because one of Burton's keyboard almost fell on the floor?I don't know what happened to the "old" members of the crew (Sean, Antti and even Janne) but the new ones really suck! (to my opinion)
Quote from: Eric616 on October 28, 2015, 08:22:24 AMThe popularity of the band has dwindled because of the lack of new women fans nowadays. They either jumped ship, or they're still along. They were the main demographic. And Ville doesn't want to vary the setlist because the more amount of songs, the more opportunities to fuck them up. He has a core of songs that he's perfected for the most part. He has a hard time reaching the higher octaves than he used to. The majority of the songs now are the lower octaves. His lower range has grown, while the upper range has dropped.You make it sound like all woman were to blame for dwindling popularity... Which I hope you didn't mean and which obviously isn't right. Actually, the other way around is more accurate: There are less (new) fans because of decreasing popularity.Well, I have no idea if that's true or not or what Ville thinks or wants or not. But if I think back to some comments e.g. on Into the Night, those suggest that either you're wrong or Ville didn't pick the songs he sings best or he became a less than decent singer in general.
And Into the Night is falsetto. He still hasn't lost that. The verses though? All lower octaves. Haha
Quote from: Eric616 on October 29, 2015, 09:33:22 PMAnd Into the Night is falsetto. He still hasn't lost that. The verses though? All lower octaves. HahaI didn't say he lost his falsetto, I said there are comments that suggest he can't sing anymore.Let me quote the forum:"I can handle everyone saying Ville is off key nowadays because he is and I can deal with the failed screams but it honestly pisses me off to see anyone on here say that Ville doesn't focus on his singing or isn't trying anymore. [...] If anything the only reason that stuff bothers anyone so much is because you know he is trying for it and failing"